Poe
17 years ago
4 days ago
3,675
Stand by my absolutely outrageous comment
Number 1
16 years ago
11 months ago
3,650
You've said worse elsewhere on this forum tbf.
Poe
17 years ago
4 days ago
3,675
Vercoe
11 years ago
3 years ago
1,510
Fuck me, Mike Ashley just gave an interview to Sky Sports News...
Poe
17 years ago
4 days ago
3,675
Said he's going nowhere until we win a trophy.

Get that man a kebab, he's pissed.
Vercoe
11 years ago
3 years ago
1,510
Does the Championship count as a trophy?
Grimnir
16 years ago
3 months ago
2,727
Maybe he means the LDV! Or whatever it's called now, guess I'll find out next season
Number 1
16 years ago
11 months ago
3,650
Does the Championship count as a trophy?

Seeing as won that in 2010, I would say no.
Vercoe
11 years ago
3 years ago
1,510
Looks like you're stuck with him then.
Poe
17 years ago
4 days ago
3,675
Carver out Ashley Out.

Now we're safe and secure. Hopefully a few of the bog standard players leave too, people like Sammy Ameobi and Williamson who have no business being at a Premier League club.

Can't see it though.

Guttierez hope he stays for another year as a squad player.
Shola
16 years ago
5 years ago
2,708
Hall and Shephard >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ashley.


You're either deluded, ignorant or stupid if you believe that.

Hall and Shepherd are immeasurably worse.

'Ashley is greedy' - Hall and Sheppard took millions out the club. Millions in dividends, millions in salaries. Ashley hasn't taken a penny.

'Ashley is cashing in' - Still fuming from that time Ashley sold Ginola, Ferdinand and Asprilla.

'Ashley is using the club to advertise Sports Direct' - Both are directors of The Sporting Club which owns the company providing catering services at the ground for the seasons up to and including 1998-99.
The same company also provides security services to the club. Main shareholder in The Sporting Club is Cameron Hall Developments, where Hall and Shepherd are directors. Those companies probably accounted for most of the £1.45m spent by the club with related parties as disclosed in the last Newcastle accounts.
Rubbing salt into the wound for supporters, known as the Toon Army, the warehouse which holds the replica shirts so beloved of the now-departed boardroom duo is rented from a company associated with Shepherd.
Newcastle took out a 17-year lease on it three years ago, paying rent of £150,000, rising in line with inflation. That contract is worth more than £2.5m.

Sheppard and Hall actually sold the more unprofitable wings off their business to Newcastle. Because the fans can pick up the tab.

'Ashley has no respect for the fans' - Remember that time Ashley was slagging off the fans and calling them mugs, while discussing how much he likes to shag prostitutes? No? because it was Shepherd and Hall.

'But Ashley does't understand the club' - Shepherd and Hall understood that they could exploit further money from the sales of 10 year bonds and selling shares in the club. In the case of the bonds, they would attempt to scare fans into buying the right to guarantee a ticket for ten years. Shepherd and Hall exploited a further £4.5m from the fans by doing this, then moved them anyway.

'Ashley runs the club like North Korea' - Hall and Shepherd would actually take journos on holiday, to Monte Carlo.
Poe
17 years ago
4 days ago
3,675
Shephard and Hall overseen 0 relegations and a 3 years of Champions League football.

ashley overseen relegation.

Footballing wise, shephard and hall are better.
Shola
16 years ago
5 years ago
2,708
It's absolutely incomparable. Football was easier in the mid-90's. A team could be title contenders for £20m, and teams had a handful of world class players. Now it would cost £400m? and need a squad of world class players. The team challenged for the title for a season and won fuck all.

Shepherd left us behind the likes of Reading, Bolton, Portsmouth, Blackburn and Boro. He was also fucking terrible at the football side as well as being an absolute abhorrent individual who only saw Newcastle as way of extending his personal wealth, and thought that every fan was a stupid prick to be squeezed for every last drop.

But hey remember that season we were quite good? Aye? Geordie Nation, passion, The Entertainers.
Poe
17 years ago
4 days ago
3,675
If you prefer the seasons under Ashley that's fair enough.

I prefer finishing 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc

Just me maybe.
Shola
16 years ago
5 years ago
2,708
Because it's pure nostalgia and basically fantasy. The season Newcastle finished 5th under Pardew is probably a greater achievement than anything under Hall/Shepherd.
Splash The Cash On Matt Le Tiss
13 years ago
1 year ago
55
I know it lacks ambition somewhat, but I'd like Newcastle to become a team that developed young players, had a solid English/British core to the team that had been developed at the club, challenged for Europa League spots/cup wins, sold players they'd developed principally to top-4/top foreign teams, and gave the 50,000 fans that turn up every week something to cheer about.
Number 1
16 years ago
11 months ago
3,650
Steve McClaren has been sacked by Derby, which has already lead to people putting two and two together given the earlier link. He'd be an improvement on Carver but the final few months at the Pride iPro Baseball whatever its called Arena have got the red flags blaring, as noted.

Michael Laudrup has also said he'd like to manage either us or West Ham. I have some reservations given how his time at Swansea fell to shit by the end, mind.
I know it lacks ambition somewhat, but I'd like Newcastle to become a team that developed young players, had a solid English/British core to the team that had been developed at the club, challenged for Europa League spots/cup wins, sold players they'd developed principally to top-4/top foreign teams, and gave the 50,000 fans that turn up every week something to cheer about.

To be fair, regularly challenging for the Europa League positions and cup wins is more ambitious than what we've been doing for the last three years. Maybe there's change in the air given someone finally got Ashley to talk in public and explain some of his motivations, even if the Sky reporter who did the interview is represented by Ashley's PR's.
Poe
17 years ago
4 days ago
3,675
I'd definitely take Laudrup, don't know much about Garde and as said earlier I think we should explore other options than McClaren now.

They're the 3 names in contention apparently - I'm over the moon it's not Carver.
BR.
17 years ago
2 years ago
1,896
Laudrup would probably be your best bet I think. Tailed off towards the end at Swansea but did enough in his first season there as well as in other jobs like at Getafe to suggest he's be a good appointment.
Number 1
16 years ago
11 months ago
3,650
There's momentum behind Patrick Viera to NUFC manager on the betting markets and social media. Not sure...
Slashman X
17 years ago
5 months ago
6,000
Premium
Can we just send him on loan?
Number 1
16 years ago
11 months ago
3,650
Jonas Gutierrez and Ryan Taylor released.

Ryan Taylor is fair given he looked pretty poor after returning to the fold, but Jonas is a bit of a tetchy one. Certainly its not one the club is getting positive PR for on Twitter... then again, nothing they do is.
Shola
16 years ago
5 years ago
2,708
I'm glad we're releasing Jonas. Finally showing some AMBITION. I hope we sign someone shite who clearly doesn't want to be here instead.


Universal negativity regarding Ameobi being offered a new deal. Rightly so, developing players is so small time. I'd much rather sign players regardless of how terrible they are. At least it shows AMBITION.
Poe
17 years ago
4 days ago
3,675
Ameobi and Jonas are shite, tbf.

If I was keeping one it'd be Jonas but they're both not Premier League quality. Jonas tries his heart out and Ameobi just wanders around then falls over. He would struggle in the Championship. Means we're not going to sign a winger as well, which we desperately need.

If West Ham get De Boer and we get McClaren, Ashley's pre-game comments were clearly just a measure in PR.
Poe
17 years ago
4 days ago
3,675
Need to get rid of Williamson, Gouffran and Riviere now and start a proper rebuild.

GK - Krul, Elliot, Darlow - we're okay there.

DR - Janmaat - backup needed

DC - Coloccini, Taylor, Williamson, Lascelles, Dummett? (Satka, Streete, Good) - more quality here definitely needed. 1 starting centre back.

DL - Haidara, Dummett - hmm a tricky one, if Haidara can stay fit and show the form he did before he got injured we'll be okay.

DMC - Tiote? might be leaving - needs replaced with a top quality DM if so, Colback - we're okay here

MC - Sissoko, Anita, Colback, Abeid, De Jong? - one more quality CM and we'd be okay.

AMR/L - Gouffran, Ameobi, Obertan, Aarons - none of them premier league quality barring maybe Aarons but he's unfit a lot and we've hardly seen him. 2 quality wingers needed.

AMC - Cabella, De Jong, Perez - should be alright there.

ST - Cisse, Riviere, Perez, Armstrong - Cisse might leave, if so needs replaced. Riviere not good enough and Armstrong needs loaned out. 1 quality striker needed, 1 young one for backup as Riviere should be sold.

Hardly any of the above will happen.
.verse
12 years ago
4 months ago
871
I've always had a bit of soft spot for Newcastle for some reason. There's a lot of dead wood amongst the first team that needs to go, the problem is actually replacing these players with quality, given I cannot see funds being given to do it properly. Even if they sold a better player or two, Tiote for example, it's unlikely that money would be reinvested either.

Manager wise, while highly unlikely and unpopular, I think Big Sam would be a decent shout to help steady the ever sinking ship the club has become over recent years. His record with Bolton and West Ham is enough to show he can at least help with reestablishing the club, while his work on smaller budgets and utilising the loan market would be another benefit.
Number 1
16 years ago
11 months ago
3,650
I do get the feeling we might regret letting Jonas go, and I do speak as someone that had a downer on him in 2012/13. He clearly gave more of a toss than his contemporaries in the second half of this campaign, and he certainly seemed to offer more than Ameobi. Which says a lot about our development skill, or lack of it.
Poe
17 years ago
4 days ago
3,675
Big Sam was a disaster first time when Ashley actually invested in the team never mind when he isn't.
Poe
17 years ago
4 days ago
3,675
Lee Charnley is out of his depth.
.verse
12 years ago
4 months ago
871
Big Sam was a disaster first time when Ashley actually invested in the team never mind when he isn't.

He did build a reasonable squad though, certainly better than what you've got going on now imo. He also did have a good start to the season iirc before fading out. I know his football style is unpopular, but I think it's also a sacrifice that needs to be made to enquire the club can reestablish themselves amongst the mid to upper half of the table for a few seasons.

There really isn't much out there unless the club make a bold move and take a punt.

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