Shola
16 years ago
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His touch is excellent.
Poe
18 years ago
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PRyGLC8Qyc

On occasion yeah, but most of the time its a disgrace.
Obtuse
16 years ago
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I do like when a Newcastle fan shows sense. It really is about time the club replaced deadwood like Jonas and the Amoebis.
Number 1
17 years ago
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Sammy Ameobi at least has shown some potential. Jonas and Shola, on the other hand, are in the twilight years and regularly off the pace. Sadly, Pardew does not seem to believe this.
Shola
16 years ago
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Anyway I can't be arsed to argue about players.

My main problem with Newcastle is the fans protest movement and how none of them ever actually use facts or logic. And absolutely 100% focused on the short term. Newcastle is the second most indebted club in the Premier League (net) after Man United, only because of the Glazer's leveraged takeover, and third (gross) because Arsenal bought a new stadium.

From 2012 - http://swissramble.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/newcastle-united-life-in-northern-town.html

Net debt fell last season from £150 million to £130 million, comprising a £140 million loan from Mike Ashley less £10 million cash balances. Since Ashley arrived, the gross debt has significantly increased from £77 million in 2007, though he also had to clear the mortgage on the ground. Importantly, the club now has no external debt (it had a £36 million overdraft as recently as 2009), which not only provides more stability, but has also saved considerable sums in interest payments. These were £6.5 million in 2007, but would now be around £11 million a year following the rise in debt.

Although Newcastle’s annual report initially stated that Ashley’s loans would carry interest at LIBOR + 0.5%, since 2009 they have all been classified as non-interest bearing. The 2010 accounts said that £12.3 million was repayable in August 2010, £16.5 million after more than a year and the remainder on demand, but no repayments have actually been made to date – though it is likely Ashley will want the loans repaid at some stage.

The previous ownership had mortgaged Newcastle to the hilt, securing loans on virtually all the club’s assets (training ground) and future income streams (TV, sponsorship), and also left Ashley with deferred transfer payments of £36 million, some of which was owed on players who had left the club. Following the implementation of a new policy whereby transfers fees are paid up front, the club is now owed £5 million.

Despite his occasional crass behaviour, there is no doubt that Mike Ashley has put his hand in his pocket to keep the club going, as its cash flow has been consistently negative before his financing. There is still much distrust of the owner, leading Llambias to emphasise in the results statement, “Once again, Mike has not taken any money out of the club.” In fact, he has invested £273 million in total, made up of £133 million to acquire Newcastle plus £140 million of loans.


People conveniently forget these things, or never bother to learn them in the first place. And then fucking pine back to the days of Freddy Shepherd, when the club was actually used as a cash cow.

Since Newcastle United were floated on the Stock Exchange in April 1997 the Hall family and Freddy Shepherd have earned from the club as follows:

Sales of shares by Cameron Hall, Sir John and Douglas Hall's company:

December 1998 Sold 6.3% to NTL: £10m

December 1999 Sold 3.26% to NTL: £5.28m

December 1999 Douglas Hall sold 0.39% to NTL: £0.57m

June 2003 Sold 11.4% to Newcastle United itself: £4.5m

Total earned by Hall family in sales of Newcastle United shares £20.35m

Sales of shares by Freddy Shepherd Nil

Shepherd and his brother, Bruce, have increased their shareholding, via their company, Shepherd Offshore, from 7% at the time of flotation to 28% now

Dividends paid by Newcastle United plc to shareholders 1998-2005

Total to Halls: £13,698,280

Total to Shepherds: £5,489,239

Salary packages paid

Year Hall Shepherd

1999 £23,533 £23,533

2000 £35,000 £75,000

2001 £110,000 £232,868

2002 £524,257 £591,639

2003 £591,667 £668,920

2004 £635,465 £717,145

2005 £495,951 £552,954

Total £2,415,873 £2,862,059

Totals made from Newcastle United

Sir John, Douglas and Cameron Hall: £36,466,153

Freddy Shepherd and Shepherd Offshore: £ 8,351,298

Total £44,817,451


Ashley has over £100m in the club in loans and is waiving interest and delaying repayment, where as Shepherd was taking fortunes out of the club, in dividends and salaries. (iirc he was the biggest paid director by miles), while mortgaging the club to the hilt.

If we had Shepherd we would have probably bought in another couple of signings, secured against future TV revenues etc, while Shepherd made sure he was well remunerated and pushed the club closer to the brink. Ashley might not be perfect but he's still being held back by the absolute mess that the previous 'regime' left behind.
Poe
18 years ago
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I don't doubt it - I'd much rather have Ashley in charge than Shephard. But the increase in TV money this year could have been used to buy players/write off debt in order to free more funds up.

We're very financially prudent now, but it's our ambition that is being sacrificed. Watching Newcastle now is boring - long ball football with the aim of finishing around 12th - any higher is a bonus. There's nothing exciting happening leading me to believe that this is only a short term measure.
Number 1
17 years ago
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The conundrum was presented on a Mag article - we've gone from an owner who spends what he doesn't have to an owner who refuses to spend what he has. Neither option is going to end well, its just that the eventual end misery is going to be different
Shola
16 years ago
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He has over £100m of his own personal money sunk into the club. - And has waived loan repayments and interest. How is that not spending money? I'm presuming a lot of the additional TV money was spent on January and to cover the increased wage bill. And the rest will go towards paying off Ashley. I'm much more comfortable with Newcastle being prudent, with the clubs money, rather than loading up on debt and pushing our wage bill to unsustainable levels.

I don't understand how you can be bored watching Newcastle. I've literally never been bored watching Newcastle in the league, no matter how bad the performance is, I'm far too emotionally invested. Anyway Newcastle's football has been fantastic this season according to the stats. Least long balls and second most crosses and through balls. Which is extremely impressive considering we've only actually turned up for two of the three games.
Poe
18 years ago
4 days ago
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He has over £100m of his own personal money sunk into the club. - And has waived loan repayments and interest. How is that not spending money? I'm presuming a lot of the additional TV money was spent on January and to cover the increased wage bill. And the rest will go towards paying off Ashley. I'm much more comfortable with Newcastle being prudent, with the clubs money, rather than loading up on debt and pushing our wage bill to unsustainable levels.

I don't understand how you can be bored watching Newcastle. I've literally never been bored watching Newcastle in the league, no matter how bad the performance is, I'm far too emotionally invested. Anyway Newcastle's football has been fantastic this season according to the stats. Least long balls and second most crosses and through balls. Which is extremely impressive considering we've only actually turned up for two of the three games.


That was last season/the season before/the season before that. We needed reinforcements this summer and we didn't get any - regardless of how much money he's got in already/money he's put in the past/financial model - those reinforcements were needed. Especially upfront if things go tits up with Remy.

Paying off Ashley is the exact thing that's wrong though - we should surely be stable in the top half/midtable before he starts taking money from the club that he's put in to help revive us?

Bored is maybe the wrong word, frustrated is probably more correct. Newcastle's football hasn't been fantastic though - we were awful against West Ham, Morecambe and the 1st half against Fulham.
Shola
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Since finishing 5th, Newcastle have spent a further £17m on transfers, net. So Newcastle have definitely 'reinforced' the squad. While the club repaid Ashley £11m. Newcastle's ticket revenue has also fallen, due to ticket pricing schemes, to make footballer a bit cheaper for the regular football fans.

Repaying the loan needs to be done. And there will never be a 'right' time to do it. Fans will always think deferring the loan another year is the right option.

I know our football hasn't been fantastic, but I was pointing out that Newcastle have done the least amount of long balls, while you're saying Newcastle are a long ball team. (And also most combined crosses and through balls)
Number 1
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Given we were towards the top of long balls table last season, that's why we got the stigma of that delightful accolade. Most people had a downer because of games where everything went to pot - the home derby, Liverpool at SJP, the final 20 minutes at Arsenal, home defeat by Reading... could go on.

Some progress has been made but we play less long ball with Shola out of the team.

The £17M spent is arguably the Carroll cash, given the club had a very low net spend in 2011-12 until Papiss Cisse was signed. Obviously agent fees, wages and maybe a little towards the academy accounted for some of it but its arguable what we spent in January was leftover cash from that windfall.
Poe
18 years ago
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Since finishing 5th, Newcastle have spent a further £17m on transfers, net. So Newcastle have definitely 'reinforced' the squad. While the club repaid Ashley £11m. Newcastle's ticket revenue has also fallen, due to ticket pricing schemes, to make footballer a bit cheaper for the regular football fans.

Repaying the loan needs to be done. And there will never be a 'right' time to do it. Fans will always think deferring the loan another year is the right option.

I know our football hasn't been fantastic, but I was pointing out that Newcastle have done the least amount of long balls, while you're saying Newcastle are a long ball team. (And also most combined crosses and through balls)


The ticket revenue has fell because the attendances have fell, prices are very similar.

We spent heavily in January because we were in severe danger of being relegated - we didn't spend at the start of the season when it was neccesary.
Shola
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Some progress has been made but we play less long ball with Shola out of the team.


Absolute balls. The main reason is Cabaye not playing.


The ticket revenue has fell because the attendances have fell, prices are very similar.

We spent heavily in January because we were in severe danger of being relegated - we didn't spend at the start of the season when it was neccesary.


While the average attendance at St. James' Park has risen to 49,936 - an increase of 2,190 on last year, ticket revenue has fallen by 7% after the club froze season ticket prices with its ten and nine-year season ticket deal and continued its commitment to making football affordable through a variety of ticketing initiatives


Spurs finished fifth last year and spent £0 in this window net, so will therefore be relegation candidates?
Poe
18 years ago
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Key word is net.

They spent a fortune.
Number 1
17 years ago
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I remember reading Spurs have, in real times, only received something like £15M for Bale so far given RM are paying in installments.
Poe
18 years ago
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Di Canio apparently playing in Harper's testimonial, hope he doesn't ruin it.
Poe
18 years ago
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Fabricio Coloccini (captain):

"We see what other teams have done and feel it could be us. We want to win something as players, of course we do. We are hungry to win something, so we have to focus on this cup.”

Alan Pardew (manager):

"I think our fans want to win something and I am very much aware of that. I want to win something too.”

John Irvine (director):

"The cup competitions are not a priority for the club."


Ambition....
Number 1
17 years ago
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Gotta love joined up thinking eh?

Still, we're currently 1-0 up.
Shola
16 years ago
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Fans could make have the ambition to turn up for cup games....
Poe
18 years ago
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Gouffran's goal was awesome - wonder when the last time we had 3 strikers score a goal in the same week was.

Would have been a long time ago.
Number 1
17 years ago
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Talksport are claiming Pardew offered his resignation after the Everton game last night and Ashley rejected this proposal, although this was denied by Sky sources.

Saying that, our fixture run for October does not make good viewing for someone currently 3rd favourite for the sack.
Shola
16 years ago
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An organised protest tomorrow, from 'fans groups'. Still can't work out what they're protesting. They just keep using the word ambition, and pretending Newcastle used to be good.

"Ashley is showing no ambition and is willing to settle for top ten and no cups." - Newcastle haven't won a domestic cup since the 50's and have had four final defeats since - finishing those seasons in 13th or 15th. And in the past 50 years, Newcastle have finished in the top ten, 15 times.
Poe
18 years ago
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Would you like to change that?
Shola
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Number 1
17 years ago
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Coloccini out until Christmas.

Oh spiffing.
Poe
18 years ago
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Source?

I hate international breaks.
Shola
16 years ago
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http://i4.chroniclelive.co.uk/incoming/article6264579.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/front-ashley-escenic-6264579.jpg

Bobby Robson has resurrected himself to show support for the the local media! Dr. King and Jesus have also expressed support for NCJ. Hitler and Lord Voldemort have backed Ashley.
.verse
13 years ago
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Chelsea are being linked with a move for Stanton (probably only linked due to Mourinho connection), however being a fan of his ability, how's been for Newcastle recently? Not been able to see much of him since he's moved to England.
Poe
18 years ago
4 days ago
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He's garbage.

Can't defend.
.verse
13 years ago
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He's garbage.

Can't defend.

That bad?

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