Carroll.
15 years ago
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It depends on your description of same squad though.

Yes, no signings will lead to the same imbalances, but a complete overhaul being needed is simply apologising for Moyes' failure.


It actually depends. The players you have obviously have some quality. It depends who comes in, whether they respect him or do what they did under Moyes. If someone like van Gaal comes in he could be good because he wouldn't take the shit from the players.
Sears
13 years ago
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Should have done what Liverpool done in the 60's, 70's and 80's and promote a coach or ass manager when the manager left. Someone the players were already familiar with. Did brilliant for us until Souness fucked shit up
Shola
16 years ago
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Since Juan Mata came to England, he's had 5 managers. And 4 of them have been promptly sacked. With Mourinho proving what a top manager he is, by getting rid of him as soon as he could.

Conclusion: Mata is shite.
Sam
18 years ago
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This fucking thing again. Where do you get this shit from?


His charm offensive when we played him last season and the respected journalist Diego Torres writing that Mourinho cried when he didn't get the job.

In my eyes, and in a lot of people eyes, he clearly wanted the United job. And still does.

But, we'll probably go for Van Gaal.
bmg033
10 years ago
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Why don't they go for Tony Pulis? He has never been relegated and that could come in handy next season.
The Platypus
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His charm offensive when we played him last season and the respected journalist Diego Torres writing that Mourinho cried when he didn't get the job.

In my eyes, and in a lot of people eyes, he clearly wanted the United job. And still does.

But, we'll probably go for Van Gaal.


If you seriously think that Mourinho cried when he didn't get the Man Utd job, you're fucking deluded.
Sam
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If you seriously think that Mourinho cried when he didn't get the Man Utd job, you're fucking deluded.


Wow.

No disrespect, but a lot of Chelsea fans are the deluded ones. A lot of anger is displayed if Mourinho's love for Chelsea is questioned. He wanted the United job over Chelsea, get over it.

God.
The Platypus
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I'm not even talking about his love for Chelsea or any such bullshit.
I'm saying that if you honestly think that José Mourinho, one of the most celebrated and decorated managers of all time, sat down and cried because he didn't get the Manchester United job, then you're deluded.

Also, you don't know anything. Neither do I. So fuck off with your "lol get over it"
Sam
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I'm not even talking about his love for Chelsea or any such bullshit.
I'm saying that if you honestly think that José Mourinho, one of the most celebrated and decorated managers of all time, sat down and cried because he didn't get the Manchester United job, then you're deluded.

Also, you don't know anything. Neither do I. So fuck off with your "lol get over it"


I do think that he was very upset and disappointed to not get a job he so clearly coveted.

Call me deluded if you like, but please, don't tell me to fuck off, thanks.
The Platypus
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I will tell you to fuck off, thanks.
Sam
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Not for much longer if you continue to do so.

Anyway, The Guardian's latest:

Sir Alex Ferguson will help to choose the next Manchester United manager.
Poe
18 years ago
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Because that worked so well the first time
bmg033
10 years ago
1 week ago
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Just seen this: LOL at Zaha's second comment.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1.0-9/1509247_289458791222120_285890188207826689_n.jpg
.verse
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This is the second time I will say it to you. You don't watch Manchester United play. Mata doesn't expose the left back because he's never played on the left.

You also don't watch Manchester United play because the idea that Rooney is anything better than hopeless 'in the Mata role' has long since been rejected. Additionally Mata hasn't done very well so far because he hasn't done very well, regardless of where he's played.

Regardless, I don't really give a fuck because I'm fully excited to see what a good manager can do with Mata in this side because whether you choose to remember it or not Mata is one of the best in this league and perhaps one you might be remiss to have sold given the massive dip in form of one Oscar over the last few months.

I'll raise you two .

Don't try and tell me what I apparently watch and don't watch. I've seen with my own eyes that Mata exposes the fullback with his defensive weakness. If he is lined up on the left and mainly plays inside, the issue still remains. His defensive weakness is also shown through the middle, the difference is that it's not as damaging because of the midfield cover behind him. Either way, it's a matter we're ever going to see eye-to-eye on. So I'm leaving it at that.

I am well aware of how good Mata is, I've never doubted his ability. He's an exquisite player, going forward. Oscar's dip in form has zero to do with Mata either, I guess that goes to show just how little you watch Chelsea...
His form has dipped because he's basically played every game for club and country which started back at the 2012 London Olympics, he featured in nearly all of the 69 games Chelsea played last season and then played the 2013 Confederations Cup as well. Throw in a pre-season and even more games, there's no wonder his form has taken such a huge decline. Not to mention he's still only 22. But hey, you would have known all this already, right?

Not that it really matters because it actually has zero to do with the topic on hand and will be left at that.
.verse
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I do think that he was very upset and disappointed to not get a job he so clearly coveted.

Call me deluded if you like, but please, don't tell me to fuck off, thanks.

"Clearly coveted"

I think you'll find that any interest Mourinho had in coaching Man Utd was largely fictional creation of the press. I'm not too sure on how many press conferences you've seen, but he's expressed from his own mouth that Chelsea was it. That's not to say he didn't have a desire in the past, but that will have been long gone now.

Man Utd are going to need to take their time and make sure they get the right person and personality that the squad needs. Another Moyes situation and it could be very difficult times ahead.
DB
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Just seen this: LOL at Zaha's second comment.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-frc3/t1.0-9/1509247_289458791222120_285890188207826689_n.jpg


This isn't funny in the slightest..
Sheriff Skacel
10 years ago
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This isn't funny in the slightest..


.....That's what you think cunt!!
Ninja
15 years ago
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I'll raise you two .

Don't try and tell me what I apparently watch and don't watch. I've seen with my own eyes that Mata exposes the fullback with his defensive weakness. If he is lined up on the left and mainly plays inside, the issue still remains. His defensive weakness is also shown through the middle, the difference is that it's not as damaging because of the midfield cover behind him. Either way, it's a matter we're ever going to see eye-to-eye on. So I'm leaving it at that.


Once again. I don't need I say it because you already have, Mata has not lined up on the left for Manchester United ever ergo he's never exposed the left full back ergo what you're saying is deeply flawed.

As for the Oscar stuff you've hopelessly misread what I meant so I'm not going to bother.
Eric Portapotty
15 years ago
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Best part about this thread is how Ninja and Bobber have both lost their shit in here.
Ninja
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Best part about this thread is how Ninja and Bobber have both lost their shit in here.


I just get fed up talking with verse about United because he clearly doesn't watch us.

Which is fair enough, I wouldn't wake up at 3 in the monrning to watch Man United play either, but I also wouldn't pretend like I did.
Eric Portapotty
15 years ago
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I was referring to you calling Carroll a little bitch though
bartdude
15 years ago
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I'm sad Moyes has gone,he was doing a grand job destroying the Manure so that's fine by me.
Sam
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To have been appointed as manager of Manchester United, one of the biggest football clubs in the world, was and remains something of which I will always be incredibly proud. Taking charge after such a long period of continuous stability and success at the club was inevitably going to be a significant challenge, but it was one which I relished and never had a second thought about taking on. The scale of the manager’s job at United is immense, but I have never stepped away from hard work and the same applies to my coaching staff. I thank them for their dedication and loyalty throughout the last season.

We were fully focused and committed to the process of the fundamental rebuilding that is required for the senior squad. This had to be achieved whilst delivering positive results in the Barclays Premier League and the Champions League. However, during this period of transition, performances and results have not been what Manchester United and its fans are used to or expect, and I both understand and share their frustration.

In my short time at the club I have learnt what special places Old Trafford and Carrington are. I would like to thank the United staff for making me feel so welcome and part of the United family from my first day. And of course thank you to those fans who have supported me throughout the season. I wish you and the club all the best for the future. I have always believed that a manager never stops learning during his career and I know I will take invaluable experience from my time as United's manager. I remain proud to have led the team to the quarter finals of this year's Champions League and I remain grateful to Sir Alex Ferguson for believing in my ability and giving me the chance to manage Manchester United."


No mention of the players.

Moyes was terrible, but the players have been so poor this season and behaved terribly.
K3V0
16 years ago
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The players have been bad, no doubt about that and no getting away from it. In saying that a part of me thinks that only proves even more how out of his depth Moyes was. He quite clearly couldn't handle top players like a Ferguson, Mourinho or Guardiola could and it was only a matter of time. Wish him all the best for the future, I'm sure he'll be picked up by somebody else around mid-table and he'll do a great job for them.
Telegram Sam
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In the midst of his sacking Moyes has actually come out of it with some dignity and all of the stories that have been released since seem to highlight how awful some of the players have been. You get the impression they never game him a chance and acted like petulant children.
Shola
16 years ago
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Once again. I don't need I say it because you already have, Mata has not lined up on the left for Manchester United ever ergo he's never exposed the left full back ergo what you're saying is deeply flawed.


Mata offers the LB absolutely no cover by playing on the right.
Sam
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Ninja
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In the midst of his sacking Moyes has actually come out of it with some dignity and all of the stories that have been released since seem to highlight how awful some of the players have been. You get the impression they never game him a chance and acted like petulant children.


Well of course.

I mean the media have been sticking up Moyes from day one, their not about to throw him under the bus now.

Moyes just didn't have the authority to command their respect, some have acted badly (Rio for example) some have acted better but no one really comes off well when a manager isn't respected by his player. Every club has had it really, whether it be Torres under Hodgson, the Chelsea players under AVB, or the Real Madrid mob under everyone.

It's hard to criticise Moyes for it too much, I don't think he's ever come across as particularly authoritative and the failure to recognise the importance of Ferguson's iron fist perhaps can not be overstated. That said, his bizarre approach to decision making can't have helped.

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