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Vercoe
King Luis
Flash.
The fact that the government and others have basically made it impossible for him to get a job shows the system is wrong.
Also, the case is so massively filled with holes I'm not fully convinced he actually did it. I've been in the jury for a rape case and you'd be amazed how many people wanted them found guilty regardless of the fact there was so little/no evidence. The UK has a massive culture of thinking 'They've been accused of something, so they must be guilty'.
Ninja
Of course he is, because he doesn't think he has done anything wrong and is appealing the conviction. Why on earth would anybody apologise if thats how you feel?
Also, the picture you're painting of the woman is not as simple as you're making out, bear in mind this is a woman tweeting about what she would do with the money 'when she wins big'. Nor does the fact that 'she got abuse' have any impact on it, Evans can't control other peoples actions on twitter and shouldn't be vindicated for what some other low lifes tweet.
At any rate, the morality of the argument is retarded. Whether Evans did or didn't do it is an irrelevancy now, he has served his time and should be allowed to rejoin society. Whether he is a 'role model' or not can't be a factor because its unquantifiable.
Sam
She can't carry on with her life like normal - yet he can. He can continue to be a footballer, footballers are role models to a lot of young people, and earn about £20k a week. What kind of message is that sending out? He can go back to his old life as if nothing happened yet his victim can't.
It doesn't matter what she tweeted or who sent her abuse - it's all because of his actions.
By the way, he didn't even serve his time, he got an early release.
The Platypus
He very well might BE a rapist... But sure.
Jason
She also accused two rugby players of rape two years previous, but it never got to court as they paid her money. There are reports that she asked Sheffield United for 250,000 to drop the case, obviously there's no source but that's whats been branded about before.
The case defiantly has holes in it, this ones just a case of your own opinion on the thing, but there will be a lot of apologies needed if the appeal is successful.
http://chedevans.com is a good read, if you've not already read it, gives an in site into what may of happened that night, twitter posts are on there too.
Titus Brambles (who was accused of raped but never convicted) name was mentioned in the official police interview with MCDonald, and the documents have been posted here;
http://chedevans.com/the-police-major-incident-room-notebook
An account of what happened in court, the "victims" actions in court etc is here;
http://chedevans.com/the-trial
Im on the fence, he could of done it. But i believe he should be able to return to work, instead of our taxes funding his life.
Jason
Nobody said he would be able to return as if nothing happened.
He will get stick from opposition etc, but he should still be able to return to "work".
Jason
Is it though? If i'm a footballer on 20k a week and im in a bar and im noticed by a blonde who wants some "fun" and i end up consently having sex with her, she then wakes up the next morning regrets it and then says i raped her, knows i have money and tweets about how shes gonna buy a pink mini for 30k for her and her friend when she "wins big".
Is that all because of my actions? If she agreed to sex, it isn't rape. Rape is a very hard thing to judge in a court, and even when people are found to have made rape stories up, they never get as bad as what a rapist would anyway.
The Platypus
You don't think people out in the world treat you differently when you're a famous convicted rapist?
King Luis
Crane
Slashman X
Ninja
Yes, but she was too drunk and therefore couldn't give her consent.
Personally, I think thats pretty weird that thats a legal basis for convicting someone of rape.
I've had the opposite happen to me, and I'm sure a lot of others have to, where I've been blackout drunk with no recollection of the night before next to an absolute train wreck of a girl that I'd never normally sleep with. I guess I'm technically a rape victim in the eyes of the law.
Sam
The jury found him guilty, without any doubt, they concluded based on all the evidence that she was too drunk to give consent.
Carroll.
Ninja
How on the one hand can you agree with the argument 'Evans is a rapist because the justice system is infallible and he was found guilty' and on the other hand argue that he should not be allowed to re-enter society because the justice system has released a man who can't, or shouldn't be, rehabilitated?
It's actually an incredibly boring debate, I'm sure normally when we have these public debates about things like this people actually bother to educate themselves about the case and make some argument based on the merits of what the person did or didn't do. Like the Pistorius trial, for example. All we've really had here is people screaming 'HE'S A RAPIST BECAUSE HE WAS CONVICTED' and 'FOOTBALLERS ARE ROLE MODELS' ad nauseum.
Sam
Sam
I can't be bothered to carry on repeating myself.
Vercoe
K3V0
It's a debate worth having because it's extremely odd that one of the lads was convicted and the other not considering they've both had sex with the same woman and the basis of convicting one was she was to intoxicated to give consent. You do realise juries get these things wrong? That's exactly why there's an appeal process, which is handled by judges iirc.
Franck
As a fan, I would never want Ched Evans playing for my football club.
ianbaker
Also, he's showed no remorse, whereas Lee Hughes and McCormick did. Surely he would have an agent clever enough to tell him to show remorse and not comment further regardless of how he felt personally in the interest of his career. Instead his made it a witch hunt on this girl whos had to change her identity 4/5 times.
Franck
Carroll.
K3V0
If it was me and I knew I was innocent, I wouldn't be apologising at all. I'm not saying he's innocent either, just to clear that up. It's just very strange that one person was put away for it and another acquitted, that bit I don't understand.
ianbaker
Claytons lawyers argued that because she remembered going in the taxi and up to the hotel room with Clayton that this was her effectively giving consent for sex.
Slashman X
Any lawyer clever enough (or any person with a tiny bit of logic) would not advise him show remorse for something that he is saying he was wrongfully conflicted of and is currently appealing. Also, he didn't exactly start the witch hunt, dopes on Twitter did (of which the victim is one)
Tommo.
Number 1
For the record, I don't have strong views and do understand both sides, but I do wish the people supporting him stop hounding the victim. I've read somewhere she's had to move and change her identity five times because that website supporting his innocence keeps doing revealing the new ones. Presumably that's a possible contempt of court charge in waiting.