Ninja
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I can't be bothered to look at the stats, but we definitely didn't hoof the ball once Fellaini went up top tonight. We crossed the ball into him, definitely used his height in their box. But we really didn't play many more long balls to him than normal, just used him as a classic number 9.

We mostly just did what we had been doing before, but without Falcao being a waste of space and at a quicker tempo. Only real difference.
Sam
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Poor performance really, although we were much better when Young came on - and Falcao coming off.

Funny that Fellaini was more of a threat than Falcao was upfront.

Only one defeat in 19 is pretty impressive when you see how shit we've been this season. Hope we keep it up when we eventually start playing well.
Based Jorge
11 years ago
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I'm absolutely baffled at how United are third in the League.
Shola
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- Spurs are in transistion
- Arsenal self destructed
- Everton have got a touch of second season syndrome
- Liverpool have got a touch of second season syndrome and sold their best player
- Southampton aren't actually that good
- Nor are West Ham
- Newcastle certainly aren't.

This is why Man Utd are third. All of the other teams aren't playing very well.

Man City are also not playing very well, but better than Man Utd.
Ninja
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I'm absolutely baffled at how United are third in the League.


Because we're no where near as bad as people try and make out. We're pretty decent defensively, control most games quite well and are good enough going forward to score enough goals to win games.

It's not pretty, and in part thats why people are moaning, but you also have to remember that most people that are doing the most vociferous complaining are used to watching Ferguson teams winning the league every other season, that was never the aim this season.
Based Jorge
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Controlling the games meaning have a midfield of Denilson's then walloping the ball up the pitch? It's probably the worst brand of football I've seen this year in the Prem apart from Villa. United look their most threatening as soon as Fellaini is on the pitch and in his best position behind the striker. Which is absolutely appalling for a club like United.

van Persie's tailed off, van Gaal's using Rooney like some footballing experiment, he's also playing di Maria; whose best attribute is running at defenders; up front at times with his back to goal and Falcao has been absolute wank. Van Gaal isn't really a great manager, if any other manager spent £170m and playing the absolute shitheap football United are playing right now they'd get crucified. Could you imagine if it was Moyes? Christ.

You'll probably do us over, we haven't beat yous at OT since 06/07 and it isn't a quality issue from 2012 onwards, it's a mental block as we shit ourselves whenever we play yous or Chelsea. Though I'm still confident we'll finish above United, the Prem game at OT is crucial and we're starting to hit our stride now.

Still backing them for fourth though because everyone else is literally wank.
Ninja
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No, I mean having the lion's share of possession in basically every game we play and controlling the tempo, pace, and pattern of the game. It might not be what everyone wants us to do, because we want to play the game very slowly most of the time, but its clearly something we're very good at doing.

But its nonsense like 'the worst brand of football apart from Villa' that is what I mean, its not even remotely close to being true, but obviously if you're going to believe that it is then you're going to be perplexed at how we're doing anything. Southampton, for example, have played absolutely dire stuff every time I've watched them yet you hear nothing said of it because 1) nobody makes the effort to watch Southampton if they don't support them and 2) talking about Southampton doesn't sell papers. We're clearly not a particularly easy side on the eye, but we're by no means as terrible as people would like to make ot.

We're third because we're slowly putting together the pieces, if anything, the real shame is that we're only 5 points off City and have thrown away almost double that amount of points in games we should have won, especially at the start of the season.
Based Jorge
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It's boring as fuck. The reason I hated United so much was their effectiveness. The counter attacks in games against us previously in the CL & Prem was ridiculous to contain. There was always a spark in the team, now there isn't, whatsoever. It's not entertaining at all, Denilson would literally be the perfect player in your midfield right now, he'd have Xavi stats ffs. Tbf I've always hated slow, boring football. Post Pep Barca was atrocious to watch once the pressing intensity dropped. I'd rather watch Burnley or some other shite team cause at least there's a bit of pace and zip in their play.

Still though, for £170m spent; surely you have to be wondering the worth of the investment. If we invested that much and were only third playing shite football I'd be very, very disappointed. Then again; you did have Moyes last season.
Ninja
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It's boring as fuck. The reason I hated United so much was their effectiveness. The counter attacks in games against us previously in the CL & Prem was ridiculous to contain. There was always a spark in the team, now there isn't, whatsoever. It's not entertaining at all, Denilson would literally be the perfect player in your midfield right now, he'd have Xavi stats ffs. Tbf I've always hated slow, boring football. Post Pep Barca was atrocious to watch once the pressing intensity dropped. I'd rather watch Burnley or some other shite team cause at least there's a bit of pace and zip in their play.

Still though, for £170m spent; surely you have to be wondering the worth of the investment. If we invested that much and were only third playing shite football I'd be very, very disappointed. Then again; you did have Moyes last season.


Well there you go, we're striving to play a brand of football you don't particularly like anyway so obviously when we're not playing it great you're not going to enjoy it.

As for the money spent, its a bit of an irrelevancy in my mind. Obviously Falcao's flopped, and I'm not sure why we signed Herrera, or indeed who signed him, but at various points I think the other 4 have shown their worth it. Shaw will be our left back for years to come, Blind and Rojo have been excellent all things considered and Di Maria has shown flashes of his true self, and looks to be coming back into form at the right time.

I don't think any one at the club was under any illusion that it was a catch all fix for the teams problems and 3 of those signings were necessitated by long standing veteran players leaving (Vidic, Evra, Ferdinand) or just sheer neglect of important areas over the years (midfield). I don't think we've bought badly, and the vast chunk of the money we did spend was on players that should be foundations of this club for years to come, not every transfer will work out, but the players we've bought have more or less done ok.

Anyway, its all conjecture really and we'll see where we are at the end of the season. If the results change and the football doesn't I'll obviously be more critical of what has happened this season, if we continue to stay on track for our season aims, which we should, then I don't really care if we don't cut teams to ribbons every game. It's obviously a transitional period and season, and its churlish to expect too much too soon.
Sam
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LvG's decisions often baffle me, and the way we're playing isn't great, I don't like us playing that way. You can see he's still working it all that out, working out our best lineup, we are somewhat in transition - and we've only lost once in 19 games. That is impressive to be honest.

Last season we were out of the FA Cup in the Third Round and 7th in the league, our football is boring but at least we're not 7th. In November/December people were writing Moyes comparisons, funny how that's all stopped now isn't it?

We've got big tests coming up in March/April, hopefully we can improve the way we're playing. Like against Burnley, last night once we played with width and pace we did well. If we get top four, the way we've played this season will be forgotten about, it's all LvG needs to keep his job.

And yeah, Falcao is done.
.verse
13 years ago
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- Spurs are in transistion
- Arsenal self destructed
- Everton have got a touch of second season syndrome
- Liverpool have got a touch of second season syndrome and sold their best player
- Southampton aren't actually that good
- Nor are West Ham
- Newcastle certainly aren't.

This is why Man Utd are third. All of the other teams aren't playing very well.

Man City are also not playing very well, but better than Man Utd.

Basically agree with this.

I'd probably be reasonably satisfied if I was a Man Utd supporter about sitting 3rd, considering what's been served up this season. It could, and really should be far worse than the situation on hand. At the same time, I'd be expecting far more out of a side that has had nearly £200m invested in it during the summer.

The worrying thing is that they're a side that still looks like it needs another £300m worth of smart investment had to properly strengthen and provided a balanced squad. There's a lot of dead wood still had, unfulfilled potential and a couple on the decline.
King Luis
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- Spurs are in transistion
- Arsenal self destructed
- Everton have got a touch of second season syndrome
- Liverpool have got a touch of second season syndrome and sold their best player
- Southampton aren't actually that good
- Nor are West Ham
- Newcastle certainly aren't.

This is why Man Utd are third. All of the other teams aren't playing very well.

Man City are also not playing very well, but better than Man Utd.


This is spot on, id argue Man United have barely improved on last season but of course last season looked much worse because us and Arsenal were doing quite well
George14brfc
13 years ago
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Looking forward to a trip to Anfield!
Ninja
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Basically agree with this.

I'd probably be reasonably satisfied if I was a Man Utd supporter about sitting 3rd, considering what's been served up this season. It could, and really should be far worse than the situation on hand. At the same time, I'd be expecting far more out of a side that has had nearly £200m invested in it during the summer.

The worrying thing is that they're a side that still looks like it needs another £300m worth of smart investment had to properly strengthen and provided a balanced squad. There's a lot of dead wood still had, unfulfilled potential and a couple on the decline.


Only if you assume that the only players we can get to improve us are Bale, Pogba, Hummels etc.. but I'd hardly call that 'smart investment'. Realistically, we need a right back, centre-back (assuming Evans is as good as gone) centre midfielder and 1 of either a Striker or Winger depending on what formation we play. We'll spend big money if a player thats worth it becomes available, but there's no reason to assume we're going to buy big for the sake of it in the summer.
Sam
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Whilst I agree other teams are playing badly, we are also in transition. Recovering from our worst season in modern history, with another new manager, new philosophy, big players leaving, new ones arriving etc. Yes we should be playing better, but we are in transition and doing pretty well to be 3rd.
Carroll.
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Yeah but Moyes was getting slated for very similar situation last year. If I worked it out right you're 6 points better off this year which is fair enough, but is it really worth the investment in the summer? If you're still playing shit, just a different kind of shit from last year why was Moyes so slated?
Ninja
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Yeah but Moyes was getting slated for very similar situation last year. If I worked it out right you're 6 points better off this year which is fair enough, but is it really worth the investment in the summer? If you're still playing shit, just a different kind of shit from last year why was Moyes so slated?


Because Moyes had us play shit and losing games, Van Gaal gets leeway because we win more often. Just like he'd probably also get leeway if we weren't getting the results but were playing well.

Also we're improving under him, perhaps only because he couldn't be as bad as Moyes, but obviously he's going to get more support than a man who we were noticeably becoming worse under.
BR.
18 years ago
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Bradford-Reading and Villa-West Brom on Saturday 7th, Liverpool-Rovers on the Sunday and Utd-Arsenal on the 9th. Surprised at Villa-West Brom being the tea-time kick off.
K3V0
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Because Moyes had us play shit and losing games, Van Gaal gets leeway because we win more often. Just like he'd probably also get leeway if we weren't getting the results but were playing well.

Also we're improving under him, perhaps only because he couldn't be as bad as Moyes, but obviously he's going to get more support than a man who we were noticeably becoming worse under.


As a United fan I think this season is just all about the end result, which is getting back into the Champions League. If Van Gaal can achieve that it'll be deemed a success. Next season he'll be judged a lot differently, although in saying that when we're not playing fantastic football against Yeovil, Cambridge or Preston it's frustrating, but that's because we've been absolutely spoiled for an unbelievable amount of time under Ferguson.
Carroll.
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Because Moyes had us play shit and losing games, Van Gaal gets leeway because we win more often. Just like he'd probably also get leeway if we weren't getting the results but were playing well.

Also we're improving under him, perhaps only because he couldn't be as bad as Moyes, but obviously he's going to get more support than a man who we were noticeably becoming worse under.


Van Gaal also has you playing shit and losing games. You're only realistically two wins better off, which isn't a lot in grand scheme of things. I know this is kind of a shit point because you're only as good as you're opponents, but you're only 3rd because everyone else has been shit this season.

As for actually improving playing style under him, debatable. For every good game you have, you have another 2/3 dire ones.
tmatthew
18 years ago
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Van Gaal also has you playing shit and losing games. You're only realistically two wins better off, which isn't a lot in grand scheme of things. I know this is kind of a shit point because you're only as good as you're opponents, but you're only 3rd because everyone else has been shit this season.

As for actually improving playing style under him, debatable. For every good game you have, you have another 2/3 dire ones.


We've lost once in 18 games.

And still in the FA Cup, whereas with Moyes we went out in the third round.

Also worth pointing out that Moyes still had the backing of the fans at this stage last season. So its only right to back van Gaal, even if he had been as bad. Which he hasn't.
Shola
16 years ago
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That lost once in 18 games is a strange stat to go with when people are saying that Man Utd have benefited from a declining League, rather than had any actual improvement. Not being in Europe, getting knocked out of the League Cup early doors and having a piss easy FA Cup run also help.


Where do you guys honestly think you'd be right now under Moyesy?
Ninja
15 years ago
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Van Gaal also has you playing shit and losing games. You're only realistically two wins better off, which isn't a lot in grand scheme of things. I know this is kind of a shit point because you're only as good as you're opponents, but you're only 3rd because everyone else has been shit this season.

As for actually improving playing style under him, debatable. For every good game you have, you have another 2/3 dire ones.


We've lost 2 games since the Leicester 5-3, against Southampton and City, and should have got something out of both those games. Even including the shite start to the season we've only lost 4 times, only City and Chelsea have lost less.

I never mentioned anything about style either, thats your claim.

That lost once in 18 games is a strange stat to go with when people are saying that Man Utd have benefited from a declining League, rather than had any actual improvement. Not being in Europe, getting knocked out of the League Cup early doors and having a piss easy FA Cup run also help.


Where do you guys honestly think you'd be right now under Moyesy?


Hard to say, don't think we'd have got the players we did in the summer if he was here, but assuming we did and everything was the same for him?

Probably on the same sort of points as West Ham, but further away from the pack.

You can instantly discard the points we got in the games against Liverpool, Chelsea, Spurs and Southampton because we were shite under him in those games. Probably would have picked up more points away from home, but been worse at Old Trafford, so yeah. 7th ish and around about 35-40 points.

I'm also not sure playing as little football as we have done is actually an advantage, if anything we probably could have done with the extra matches to build up a rhythm and fitness. Any advantage to be gained from it will come in this half of the season, I should think.
Number 1
17 years ago
1 year ago
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I know the BBC seemingly feels the continual need to televise Man United due to ratings, popularity, etc, but why are they televising those boring farts Villa again?
VP.
14 years ago
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There's only four games so all are on TV, unless you mean why did the BBC choose that fixture instead of another?
bmg033
10 years ago
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Apparently BT are showing the Bradford game for free on their website.
Carroll.
15 years ago
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And on TV from what I've heard
Number 1
17 years ago
1 year ago
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There's only four games so all are on TV, unless you mean why did the BBC choose that fixture instead of another?

Yes. It was bad enough Villa were chosen in the last round.

BT free-to-airing Bradford is kinda good though.
Shola
16 years ago
6 years ago
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FA Cup is good at reminding us how the little clubs are just as obnoxious as the bigger clubs.
King Luis
18 years ago
10 months ago
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I know the BBC seemingly feels the continual need to televise Man United due to ratings, popularity, etc, but why are they televising those boring farts Villa again?


Because its as close to they'll get to showing a Premier League game so they'll always favour the games with two PL sides

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