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bluemoon.
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Abbott
You're contradicting yourself. You agree that you could interpret that song as having references to Hillsborough and that singing that song on that day was bad? THAT IS THE ENTIRE POINT.
Ninja
It's not a contradiction in the slightest.
I'm saying you could do it, I could see why you'd do it. But you're wrong to do it.
You can interpret it however you want, it doesn't stop that interpretation being wrong.
Carroll.
But this is getting boring, just move on with it seeing both sides have different views on it.
Abbott
Right, this is my last post on this because if you don't agree with me then you're clearly being deliberately stubborn and obtuse.
You are telling me there is absolutely no way somebody can be offended by what was sung? You're saying there is categorically no way that somebody can attribute that song to being as about Hillsborough? Absolute zero way you could interpret it that way? Because if you can then the interpretation is not wrong, and being offended by it isn't wrong. You even say it here:
Telegram Sam
Some of the blatant tribalism on here is pathetic.
Ninja
No.
I'm saying it's not explicitly a reference to Hillsborough and to be offended by it because you think it is is understandable initially but after being told about 674 times what it actually references still being offended because of the original misinterpretation is stupid.
And you've just proved my point that you're ignoring what I'm actually saying. I said Hillsborough used to feed in to the myth of the self pity city that is referenced in the song, but it's not anymore. If you can't see how other factors have been more important in the development of why Liverpool fans have the reputation of being perennial victims then you are seriously in denial.
Don't get me wrong, NO ONE is saying that it should have been sung at Anfield on Saturday, because the tit for tat hatred of each other was totally unneeded on the day, but I don't see how you can be so outraged by that one incident and completely ignore the fact that your fans also did not drop the hatred and nonsense that comes with our rivalry.
It's too far to say that this holier than thou nonsense is pretty much the exact reason we sing that song, but not by much.
Telegram Sam
Seriously? Do you really think that the group of United fans chanting about Liverpool fans always painting themselves as victims, on that particular day, had no idea how that would come across? Even if those chants stem from elsewhere, singing them at Anfield on that day was grossly inappropriate because it is frighteningly obvious how those chants could be interpreted. The fans who chanted that would have known that, anyone who heard that would have known that, and even you know that - unless you really are this tribalistic and ignorant, and truly believe that those chants were acceptable because they don't directly reference Hillsborough. Pathetic.
tmatthew
Telegram Sam
Yeah, that's fair enough. All I'm trying to argue that it was foolish for those chants to have been made given the circumstances surrounding that game.
tmatthew
Ninja
Is reading literacy at an all time low on this forum?
No one is saying that it should have been sung, I've said it so many times that I'm physically sick of typing the phrase.
All we're saying is that it, no matter what you want to think, does not reference anything other than the self pity city myth.
I also genuinely think you're giving far too much credit to the thinking that went into signing it, I don't think there was any. I don't think anyone went there expecting to sing that song.
What almost certainly happened is that a group of fans from both sides decided to have a bit of 'banter' (but call it what you want, it's probably more sinister than banter) at the others expense knowing that the other side reacting would cause a bit of a shit storm. It started with stuff like 'Where's your famous Munich song?' the booing of Evra and plane gestures and started an inevitable and sad slide down a slippery slope that ended with this song.
No one's saying that it justifies singing a song that was always going to cause trouble, and you would hope provocation would be met by a desire to be the bigger men about it and let it slide, but we all know that football fans capacity for stupidity is not exactly compatible with standing aloof of things like this.
I think people are getting confused by people defending the song itself, with attempting to exonerate the actions of those that sung it last week.
Zog
King Luis
Well this debate is pretty inane given the reasons you have just stated.
Abbott
Always a boring post when Zog is involved.
Sorry, I'm cranky today
Zog
I'll get over it.
I had no idea what they were arguing about tbh, just had a quick glance at Ninja's long angry post and decided this wasn't for me.
Ninja
It wasn't that long!
The font size on here just makes a paragraph look like the fucking bible in length.
Eric Portapotty
Abbott
I blame jumberto. He's the bad egg.
jumberto
Hey that's not nice.
We're like a better, more important version of Rangers vs Celtic.
Ninja
It's because we're both too stubborn to ever admit defeat.
Abbott
VP.
The Platypus
Cech
Ivanovic
Terry
Luiz
Cole
Ramires
Mikel
Hazard
Oscar
Mata
Torres
VP.
Subs; Martinez, Santos, Mertesacker, Djourou, Walcott, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Giroud.
Eric Portapotty
Not cool man.
Telegram Sam
Eric Portapotty
Deserved lead anyway, they've clearly been the dominant side.