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Mainly that The Dark Knight Rises isn't a good film.

Awful pacing, sloppy, confusing (and straight up bad, at times) writing. Plotholes up the wazoo.
Apart from a few scenes, it's just not a very good film.

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The Dark Knight doesn't have the shackle of finality to deal with and it's because of that so much joy can be found. TDKR has to give an impossible feeling of completion to a writing nightmare.

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By The Platypus | Permalink | On 09 December 2012 - 22:16 PM

Mainly that The Dark Knight Rises isn't a good film.

Awful pacing, sloppy, confusing (and straight up bad, at times) writing. Plotholes up the wazoo.
Apart from a few scenes, it's just not a very good film.

It certainly has its problems but its infinitely better than the majority of crappy blockbusters that are released every year. Calling it 'not a good film' is incredibly harsh and narrow-minded in my opinion. It definitely has a bunch of problems with it that still bother me but there's still tonnes to enjoy. The other two films have also got weird plot holes and stupid writing too but they never seem to be held up in the same way weirdly. I just think its an easy target for people to get pissed off with.

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By Abbott | Permalink | On 09 December 2012 - 23:20 PM

It certainly has its problems but its infinitely better than the majority of crappy blockbusters that are released every year. Calling it 'not a good film' is incredibly harsh and narrow-minded in my opinion. It definitely has a bunch of problems with it that still bother me but there's still tonnes to enjoy. The other two films have also got weird plot holes and stupid writing too but they never seem to be held up in the same way weirdly. I just think its an easy target for people to get pissed off with.

Just because it's better than Transformers 3 doesn't make it not shit. It has too many problems to be a good film, and the highs aren't nearly high enough. The only reason why we do this "woah woah woah, calm down, it's not BAD" is because it was made by Christopher Nolan.
I think it genuinely is a bad film. Bad writing, bad pacing, awful meaningless characters. Nothing has any real depth, any real meaning. Nothing feels really intense (apart from a few moments with Bane, a character they also completely ruin in the end).
It felt like all Nolan really cared about was the scale of the film, and he didn't give two shits about any of the characters.

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By The Platypus | Permalink | On 10 December 2012 - 03:11 AM

Just because it's better than Transformers 3 doesn't make it not shit. It has too many problems to be a good film, and the highs aren't nearly high enough. The only reason why we do this "woah woah woah, calm down, it's not BAD" is because it was made by Christopher Nolan.
I think it genuinely is a bad film. Bad writing, bad pacing, awful meaningless characters. Nothing has any real depth, any real meaning. Nothing feels really intense (apart from a few moments with Bane, a character they also completely ruin in the end).
It felt like all Nolan really cared about was the scale of the film, and he didn't give two shits about any of the characters.

Hmm, I think you make a good point about the scale of the film trumping the characters, but I disagree that the depth/meaning is absent. I guess it boils down to whether the film hit you or not, and for me it did. Bane was a fascinating character and I loved nearly every moment with him on screen, and Catwoman & Blake made good additions even if they were kinda rushed in, but that's a problem with introducing new people into the last film of a trilogy. Also I thought the final wrap-up montage thing was handled perfectly and wrapped everything up nicely, and importantly had the emotional weight it was gunning for so ultimately the pay-off made what came before worth it. I don't think I was every dis-interested at any point in the film and some of the highs were some of the best of the trilogy in my opinion.

I think all your criticisms are fair, but they just didn't bother me as much as they have for others, but maybe that's just because I'm a Batman/Nolan fanboy or something. That's not to say there are things I didn't like about it, I think your point about pacing is spot-on. The sense of time and place is really lost and I thought Gotham as a city was poor compared to the other two films.

I've discussed this with my friends a few times now and it always just ends with 'well that did/didn't work for me' and I think that's what I'm trying to say here

I need to watch it again.

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Well I guess I'm not as much of a film critic as some, I absolutely loved it.

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By Abbott | Permalink | On 10 December 2012 - 10:34 AM

I've discussed this with my friends a few times now and it always just ends with 'well that did/didn't work for me' and I think that's what I'm trying to say here

I need to watch it again.

Well, yes. That's how it is with anything, really.
I didn't feel the film. And holy hell I really wanted to.
I remember right after the Batman vs Bane scene (and their first scene in the pit), I thought "Alright, now this fucker's rolling." Those two scenes are fantastic.
And then.. nothing. Nothing at all.

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Saw Life of Pi at an advanced screening last night. The visuals and direction was really stunning but I found the ending pretty frustrating and troubling. Really impressive film making though, enjoyed the ride.

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13 Dec 2012 09:15:30

Holy crap.

In other holy crap news, I watched Primer last night. Loved the concept and the way it was handled but I totally lost it about half an hour from the end, but I gather that's kinda the point. Really cool film though, especially considering how its basically one guy's creation.

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By Abbott | Permalink | On 13 December 2012 - 09:15 AM

Holy crap.

I may have just cum in my pants.

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By The Platypus | Permalink | On 09 December 2012 - 22:16 PM

Mainly that The Dark Knight Rises isn't a good film.

Awful pacing, sloppy, confusing (and straight up bad, at times) writing. Plotholes up the wazoo.
Apart from a few scenes, it's just not a very good film.

This.

Tremendously disappointed leaving the cinema after that.

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13 Dec 2012 20:08:24

Guillermo Del Toro seems to be on abit of a roll recently, cant wait for this.

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By King Luis | Permalink | On 13 December 2012 - 20:08 PM

Guillermo Del Toro seems to be on abit of a roll recently, cant wait for this.

He's the exec producer on that one, that's about it.

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By The Platypus | Permalink | On 13 December 2012 - 20:30 PM

He's the exec producer on that one, that's about it.

Still a quite involved role though regardless.

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Man of Steel trailer looks pretty good.

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By King Luis | Permalink | On 13 December 2012 - 20:31 PM

Still a quite involved role though regardless.

Often times it's not, actually.

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13 Dec 2012 22:36:55

Saw The Hobbit today, loved absolutely everything about it.

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I just got back from seeing it myself. I thought the first 30 minutes or so were awful but it got going after that to a pretty satisfying conclusion. Found the high frame rate to be really distracting, although as I got used to it it wasn't so bad. It made some of the CGI blend much nicer and the 3D was far better than normal, but it still took me out of the film far too much and made some parts look cheap and tacky.

Overall I enjoyed it, but I'm not massively thrilled about having another two 3-hour films before its the end of the story, though I'm interested to see what extra material they include.

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I still haven't seen Skyfall.

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14 Dec 2012 10:14:27

Looks a lot like Jimmy Saville

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By Telegram Sam | Permalink | On 14 December 2012 - 13:24 PM

I still haven't seen Skyfall.

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14 Dec 2012 16:24:31

The Dark Knight Rises - Certainly wasn't as good as i was expecting it to be, in fact i'd say that the final two thirds or so of the film were quite poor and just far too predictable.

The Amazing Spiderman - Been meaning to watch this for ages and i now wish i hadn't. For me its no where near the standard of the original Spiderman films and i fail to understand why this was even made? Very poor film imo.

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14 Dec 2012 22:41:23

Went to see the Hobbit, didn't enjoy myself.

Doesn't help that my eyes don't work with 3D glasses given how shit my left eye is.

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14 Dec 2012 22:45:13

Fuck The Hobbit.

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I wanted to see Seven Psychopaths but I wasn't buying the tickets. Standard fantasy schlock, which would be fine if it wasn't so fucking long. My arse was in pieces by the end of the film.