Europa League 2015/16 - Real World Football - FM24/25 Update

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19 May 2016 15:27:58

What was the fucking point of going for 5/6th spot when we had a shot at Europa League? Granted we didn't win it, but every man and his dog would give up the fight for 5th or 6th place if they could get a trophy.

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19 May 2016 15:44:40

By Ninja | On 19 May 2016 - 09:58 AM BST

I didn't say otherwise, or that Klopp would prove to be a failure or do worse than Rodgers over the long term, or even that you were wrong to sack Rodgers.

But your season's been crap (hell we've been fucking awful and even if we lose the FA Cup will still have more to show for it). Cup runs or no cup runs you finished 8th, missed out on European football (largely due to your managers own hubris) and won nothing. It doesn't matter if your name is Jürgen Norbert Klopp, Brendan Rodgers, or Shirley Bassey. All I'm saying is, if you hadn't got rid of him already and Rodgers had delivered this season it would be seen as justification to sack him, not a success.

Yeah but the passion and gegenpressing!

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19 May 2016 15:46:38

By Based Jorge | On 19 May 2016 - 16:44 PM BST

Yeah but the passion and gegenpressing!

So cute. Especially when you consider your season as success because you finished above Spurs.

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19 May 2016 15:59:20

By Carroll. | On 19 May 2016 - 16:27 PM BST

What was the fucking point of going for 5/6th spot when we had a shot at Europa League? Granted we didn't win it, but every man and his dog would give up the fight for 5th or 6th place if they could get a trophy.

So if you didn't win the Europe League, which you didn't, you didn't miss out on European football entirely?

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19 May 2016 16:01:22

By Ninja | On 19 May 2016 - 16:59 PM BST

So if you didn't win the Europe League, which you didn't, you didn't miss out on European football entirely?

Easy to say that in hindsight, but if we'd have played our first team squad for every game and picked up injuries you'd only be slating Klopp for that as well. Not to mention it still wouldn't have guaranteed a European spot

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19 May 2016 16:02:20

By King Luis | On 19 May 2016 - 16:46 PM BST

So cute. Especially when you consider your season as success because you finished above Spurs.

Our season was wank, anyone who says otherwise is an idiot. Finishing above Spurs though when they had one of their best ever seasons in the Prem and one of our worst ever under Wenger in regards to points tally & football played is hilarious.

In all seriousness I think Klopp will do a good job at Liverpool. Bit of a bottler, but can see Liverpool challenging for fourth.

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19 May 2016 16:10:53

By King Luis | On 19 May 2016 - 17:01 PM BST

Easy to say that in hindsight, but if we'd have played our first team squad for every game and picked up injuries you'd only be slating Klopp for that as well. Not to mention it still wouldn't have guaranteed a European spot

Well no, but it would have guaranteed he didn't lead you to your joint worst ever Premier League finish.

I'm not slating him that much, I just don't agree with the idea that he's come in and done a great job so far.

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19 May 2016 16:12:59

By Ninja | On 19 May 2016 - 17:10 PM BST

Well no, but it would have guaranteed he didn't lead you to your joint worst ever Premier League finish.

I'm not slating him that much, I just don't agree with the idea that he's come in and done a great job so far.

No ones arguing that he did a great job in the league, he obviously didn't. But he got us to two cup finals with a squad that is average at best and also comprised of players who aren't his, put yourself in our shoes, if it was United in Liverpool's situation you'd be excited for the future.

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19 May 2016 16:32:17

By King Luis | On 19 May 2016 - 17:12 PM BST

No ones arguing that he did a great job in the league, he obviously didn't. But he got us to two cup finals with a squad that is average at best and also comprised of players who aren't his, put yourself in our shoes, if it was United in Liverpool's situation you'd be excited for the future.

So did Dalglish, and at least he won one of them.

Also I don't think anyones said Liverpool don't have grounds for optimism. The post I was replying to that kicked this debate off asked why people consider this season a success for Klopp, don't think anyones said anything about next season.

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19 May 2016 17:02:48

Why does everyone care so much about European football anyway?

I understand caring about it if you're shit but Liverpool are normally there are they really going to miss a season of Europa that's probably playing weakened sides until the last 16 and get knocked out of Benfica? - arguably it's better for Liverpool as thy can concentrate solely on the league and Klopp can do what he wants to do.

Same with Man Utd and the Champions League - Do you's really care that much about it?

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19 May 2016 17:09:21

By Shola | On 19 May 2016 - 18:02 PM BST

Why does everyone care so much about European football anyway?

I understand caring about it if you're shit but Liverpool are normally there are they really going to miss a season of Europa that's probably playing weakened sides until the last 16 and get knocked out of Benfica? - arguably it's better for Liverpool as thy can concentrate solely on the league and Klopp can do what he wants to do.

Same with Man Utd and the Champions League - Do you's really care that much about it?

Honestly thats why i wasn't to fussed we didn't qualify, i either want CL or nothing. I know people will say we should want to be in as many competitions as possible but this year we played a ridiculous amount of games and i think just having the league and the two cups to focus on next season will work in our favour, hell it did the last time we failed to qualify.

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19 May 2016 17:14:29

By Shola | On 19 May 2016 - 18:02 PM BST

Why does everyone care so much about European football anyway?

I understand caring about it if you're shit but Liverpool are normally there are they really going to miss a season of Europa that's probably playing weakened sides until the last 16 and get knocked out of Benfica? - arguably it's better for Liverpool as thy can concentrate solely on the league and Klopp can do what he wants to do.

Same with Man Utd and the Champions League - Do you's really care that much about it?

Yes?

I don't see the point of Arsenal's obsession with qualifying for the sake of qualifying, but I like to see my club win things. Its hard to win competitions you don't take part in.

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19 May 2016 17:22:33

We had to qualify for a numerous amount of years in order to aid repaying our stadium debt. Now that's done and dusted and we're rich as fuck our ambitions should be higher than faffing about in fourth place and going out in the first knockout round year after year

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19 May 2016 17:36:06

By Based Jorge | On 19 May 2016 - 18:22 PM BST

We had to qualify for a numerous amount of years in order to aid repaying our stadium debt. Now that's done and dusted and we're rich as fuck our ambitions should be higher than faffing about in fourth place and going out in the first knockout round year after year

I should have phrased that differently. It makes sense from the clubs financial point of view, but I don't really understand why fans get off on financial benefits of CL qualification.

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19 May 2016 17:45:15

By Ninja | On 19 May 2016 - 18:36 PM BST

I should have phrased that differently. It makes sense from the clubs financial point of view, but I don't really understand why fans get off on financial benefits of CL qualification.

The sooner we met the financial objectives the sooner it gave us free reign to spend. Although that seems to not have been the case despite us signing Mesut & Alexis. We're the most cash rich club in the World yet decided to only buy a keeper last year.

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19 May 2016 18:07:56

By Based Jorge | On 19 May 2016 - 18:45 PM BST

The sooner we met the financial objectives the sooner it gave us free reign to spend. Although that seems to not have been the case despite us signing Mesut & Alexis. We're the most cash rich club in the World yet decided to only buy a keeper last year.

Quite, but I find literal worthy of celebration in that.

'Woo we qualified for the Champions League and now we can pay off our debt in 5 not 7 years' has quite a hollow ring to it.

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19 May 2016 20:39:03

By Ninja | On 19 May 2016 - 18:14 PM BST

Yes?

I don't see the point of Arsenal's obsession with qualifying for the sake of qualifying, but I like to see my club win things. Its hard to win competitions you don't take part in.

Yeah but you got knocked out in the group stages by PSV and Wofsburg. - If Man Utd scraped 4th they're unlikely to much better next season

Like obviously winning it is good - and if lets say Thomas Muller was wiling to come only on the condition of already being in the CL then fair enough.

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19 May 2016 20:48:52

By Shola | On 19 May 2016 - 21:39 PM BST

Yeah but you got knocked out in the group stages by PSV and Wofsburg. - If Man Utd scraped 4th they're unlikely to much better next season

Like obviously winning it is good - and if lets say Thomas Muller was wiling to come only on the condition of already being in the CL then fair enough.

Football doesn't exactly work like that though, does it? Otherwise we might as well have just relegated Leicester last season as they only just scraped survival and were unlikely to be much better.

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19 May 2016 21:18:18

By Ninja | On 19 May 2016 - 19:07 PM BST

Quite, but I find literal worthy of celebration in that.

'Woo we qualified for the Champions League and now we can pay off our debt in 5 not 7 years' has quite a hollow ring to it.

Well it's more the relief of our players not being plundered every summer being over. Nothing to celebrate really, not that there is nowadays apart from Wenger, Kroenke & co parading the balance sheet around with £220m cash in bank, the highest cash reserve of any football club in the World.