Ninja
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For a start the whole season he was hounded bout his job, with not much support from the club such as a statement etc. But that's more down to the British media than the club.

But the fact all the press knew he was gone before he did doesn't seem like handling it very well.


The club kept its counsel, and I'm not sure if there's much else they can do in that situation. He seems to have managed to convince himself somehow that his job wasn't in any danger, and publicly backing the man won't have helped on that front. Besides, we all know how hollow those statements are, its pretty much confirmation that the manager is in danger, and it wouldn't stop the media from going after him for it.

As for the press finding out, again, the story didn't come from the club but I'm struggling to think of an example of a manager being sacked that the press didn't know about in advance. It always happens. Theres far too many people involved for it to stay quiet. Since the story broke the club moved quickly to let him know (they got the train back to Manchester Sunday afternoon and Woodward met with him in the evening as per the tweet above), agreed to delay announcing the news until he had left the country on Monday evening, and even laid on a private jet to take him to Portugal.

No one ever comes out of a managerial sacking looking like roses, and in an ideal world the news wouldn't have broke how it did, but I'm not sure you can lay the blame at our door.
Sam
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Pretty much agree with Ninja. United are taking a lot of flak in regards to how they handled the situation, but for one thing Mendes leaked the news after the final so that wasn't United's fault. Plus as Ninja says those public statements of support are hollow - the media would have probably criticised United for doing that anyway. And LvG asked to delay the statement, so again not the club's fault. I think they handled it the best they could given the circumstances.

There was no chance of us announcing Mourinho during the season either, we all saw what happened to City's form after the Guardiola announcement. I'm not saying City's poor performances were the sole factor but they certainly didn't help - remember they only just got 4th place thanks to our shitiness against West Ham.

I do hope Giggs turns down the role offered to him, he has survived two manager sackings, if the staff are all going he's part of that too. Oh and he's a dick. https://s3.amazonaws.com/tapatalk-emoji/emoji216.png
VP.
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Personally i don't think Mourinho will do any better and i actually feel quite sorry for Van Gaal as as much of a dick he could be during press conferences he was at least one of the most honest managers i can remember seeing. Can't see Mourinho being there for any great length of time as always buggers off when things start to go against him so unless he works wonders from the start i can't see him staying around for long. Ronald Koeman would for me of been an ideal choice though i'd quite happily take him at Arsenal once Wenger retires in 60 years time...
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Despite some City and Liverpool fans accusations we don't control the press. Not much we can do if someone to do with Mendes decides to leak the news after the FA Cup final. We've kept the English media in the dark since December over it

I wouldn't suggest you do, but as with City and Mancini and Pellegrini, the fact United basically just played dumb didn't exactly smack of competence. Obviously it's a tricky situation but that side of things wasn't handled brilliantly.
King Luis
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They cant just come out and deny it though, they have shareholders they have to be honest with so they cant turn around and say the rumours aren't true when they quite clearly are.
Ninja
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I wouldn't suggest you do, but as with City and Mancini and Pellegrini, the fact United basically just played dumb didn't exactly smack of competence. Obviously it's a tricky situation but that side of things wasn't handled brilliantly.


As you say its difficult, but I think not saying anything and then telling Van Gaal in person is probably the best way. Even if they'd have issued a denial nobody would have believed it. What would you have had them do?

They probably shouldn't have let Paddy Crerand go on five live and make a tit of himself but other than that I don't know what else they could have done differently.
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What's Woodward's supposed position on this? Isn't he supposed to be very pro-Van Gaal?

If so possibly hoping to wait until the last possible moment to hope LVG turns it around?

And obviously the Mourinho to Valencia / Inter rumours etc. suggest that the deal wan't done from Man Utd's perspective.
Ninja
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What's Woodward's supposed position on this? Isn't he supposed to be very pro-Van Gaal?

If so possibly hoping to wait until the last possible moment to hope LVG turns it around?

And obviously the Mourinho to Valencia / Inter rumours etc. suggest that the deal wan't done from Man Utd's perspective.


Only to the extent that sacking a manager that he appointed makes him look bad.

And that was the typical English press making stories where there weren't any. As early as Feb Inter basically confirmed what was happening:

http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/10174915/jose-mourinho-going-to-manchester-says-massimo-morattis-sister

We'll never know for definite, but I'm 90% certain even if Van Gaal had 'turned it around' and got top 4 he still would have been sacked. There's no point sticking with him for next season when we know he's not going to be here beyond that anyway.
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And obviously the Mourinho to Valencia / Inter rumours etc. suggest that the deal wan't done from Man Utd's perspective.

You'll probably find that it was Mourinho's people bringing that up to keep his name and relevance out there. As much as Mourinho has done for Chelsea, and as much as I like the man, he's very much someone who likes the attention to inflate the ego he has.

What I am curious to see is what happens when things go pear shaped, when decisions don't go his way etc. Will the media jump on him and United like they have done Chelsea over the years, or will being at Man Utd buy him extra slack.
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Fat man says Giggs has been offered the U21s job. Warren Joyce has been linked with Blackburn, so they'd be a vacancy.

It would make a bit of sense, managerial experience and he's kept at the club. But I imagine his ego is too big for it, and I'd rather we kept Joyce.
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You'll probably find that it was Mourinho's people bringing that up to keep his name and relevance out there. As much as Mourinho has done for Chelsea, and as much as I like the man, he's very much someone who likes the attention to inflate the ego he has.

What I am curious to see is what happens when things go pear shaped, when decisions don't go his way etc. Will the media jump on him and United like they have done Chelsea over the years, or will being at Man Utd buy him extra slack.


Nah the media love to see us do shit, it sells papers. The knives will be out if he starts to struggle.
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Fat man says Giggs has been offered the U21s job. Warren Joyce has been linked with Blackburn, so they'd be a vacancy.

It would make a bit of sense, managerial experience and he's kept at the club. But I imagine his ego is too big for it, and I'd rather we kept Joyce.

If it is Giggs ambition to one day become United manager it is probably his best option. Having an interim position made permanent if/when Mourinho gets sacked is essentially the only way he could ever be given the United job.
Sam
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Lol wat.
Franck
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Lol wat.

Welcome to the 21st century.

Wouldn't be surprised if General Motors would express concerns over signing Ibrahimovic because of his relationship with Volvo either.
Ninja
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Maybe I'm not cynical enough for the world of modern football but I'd be surprised if any of it was an issue in anyway. Just seems like a convenient cop out by journalists who were pretending they actually knew what was going on when they said it would definitely happen by Tuesday but now are blaming a 'snag' in the process.
Shola
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You'll probably find that it was Mourinho's people bringing that up to keep his name and relevance out there. As much as Mourinho has done for Chelsea, and as much as I like the man, he's very much someone who likes the attention to inflate the ego he has.


Yeah that's what I mean - Mourinho basically putting pressure on Man Utd to hurry and do the deal as he has offers....

Then again I'm always skeptical that this level of really obvious 'mind games' actually happens. I'd imagine everyone in football already knows when deals are done - and Ed Woodward for example probably know where Morata / Lukaku / Stones etc. will be on September 1st.
Sam
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It's done.
The Platypus
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I'm gonna be sick
VP.
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It'll all end in tears.
Based Jorge
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United giving me a reason to fully loathe them again, wonderful stuff.

Hope it crashes and burns and he ends up the rest of his managerial career in Azerbaijan
Sam
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Most hated manager at the most hated club. Beautiful.

It does sort of feel good having a right bastard as our manager again. It's surreal though seeing him hold up the United shirt.
Based Jorge
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The reasons why United were hated and why Mourinho is hated are completely different
Poe
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The reasons why United were hated and why Mourinho is hated are completely different


Are they?
Based Jorge
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United have always been held in high esteem thanks to Fergie (in my lifetime anyway) and there's no real reason to hate them apart from being just successful. The way Jose conducts himself is appalling and completely disrespectful.
Shola
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What? Ferguson (and Wenger) were just as bad.
King Luis
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Nah Mourinho is on another level compared to Wenger & Ferguson
Ninja
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United have always been held in high esteem thanks to Fergie (in my lifetime anyway) and there's no real reason to hate them apart from being just successful. The way Jose conducts himself is appalling and completely disrespectful.


I'm struggling to think of anything Mourinho has done that Fergie hasn't himself.
Based Jorge
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Try and gouge someones eye out?
Ninja
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Yeah, he did the much more civilised thing and punted a boot at someones head instead.
Based Jorge
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That is significantly better though. You aren't even allowed to gouge in a shit sport like Rugby. Can't remember Fergie treating managerial colleagues like shit as Mourinho has done either bar some jabs at Rafa

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