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bluemoon.
Doesn't change my opinion on him. He's not a very good player. He did nothing all game then scored a flukey goal - it was classic Johnson.
Carroll.
Bit like a certain Mr Suarez getting highlighted all the time, while others slip under the radar then, eh?
Nah but I only saw the United game as TV was playing up so couldn't even see the other interviews, and I missed the Newcastle coaches, but I'm pretty sure they don't do it every week.
Sam
On the Evans og these are the rules for interfering with play:
So Cisse is interfering with play and it should have been called. Shearer was wrong, but then again when would he be pro United?
And why were they furious at Fergie? Christ sake managers moan at refs all the time and usually for ages, it's funny how often people are quick to criticise Fergie. Oh and also Mancini said the ref must have been eating too much over Christmas, hence his bad performance. Imagine if Fergie said that, remember when he called Alan Wiley unfit and got banned?
Shola
Obviously it's easier to just to pretend that the pundits are being biased against you and that the offside law is different to what it is.
Sam
Offside Rule Detailed
Oh well, who cares, we won and Shearer was wrong. His punditry is usually shit.
http://www.therussianlinesman.com/is-he-absurd-is-he-just-plain-yes-its-super-alan-shearer
Slashman X
tmatthew
Deano
Carroll.
tmatthew
Sam
Evans wouldn't kick ball in to his own net if Cisse wasn't there.
Shola
And that article was embarrising. Shearer says Spain are good team and is shocked people find them boring. DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT. I think Shearer probably meant that Balotelli needs to become a world class player rather than just acting like one. It's looking unlikely at the moment, that he will live upto his potential.
Number 1
The only unquestionable fact is that Cisse is offside, which seems to have been his party piece this season. I suppose once upon a time that would be the be all and end all, but it doesn't hit him and if anything, Evans is tugging on his arm as well as getting the final touch. It'd odd as he is both active in that he is being marked by Evans and not active because he doesn't touch the ball.
I have seen an extended tape of the build up to the 3rd Man U goal, where RVP smacks Coloccini in the throat moments before the ball reaches the penalty area. RVP doing such a thing is not that surprising given he got away with a similar elbow on Yohan Cabaye during the reverse fixture.
Eric Portapotty
tmatthew
I can't actually believe this is even a debate.
Shola
Besided Jonny Evans and Hernandez both came back from an offiside posision to score their goals, are you honestly saying they weren't distracting the defenders/gaining an advantage?
The point of the law is to give the advantage to attackers and to create more goals.
Dutton
For the OG, the ball is going right to Cisse who is in an offside position, Evans has to go and then try and clear the ball because Cisse will have most probably scored in that position and he's got that advantage due to being offside. If Cisse isn't there the ball is going wide, Evans might have gone for the ball if Cisse wasn't there anyway, but the fact that Cisse IS stood there gaining advantage in an offside position means that he most certainly has to go for the ball. I really don't see how anyone can see it any other way.
Sam
When the passes were made they weren't offside though, when the ball was played towards Cisse he was offside and trying to gain advantage from his position - it's offside. FIFA's offside rule explanation, Evans is obviously distracted by Cisse. I don't have any idea why there's a debate on this, he's offside and it shouldn't have counted.
Oh well I'm sick of talking about it now!
Carroll.
Mental yes, seeing he knows Cisse is there, but physical no, as he's not pushing him in the back or anything.
He's really not getting an advantage at all. Evans would have to go clear the ball anyhow, as it was going towards the goal, so he either had the choice of clearing it (which he tried) or leaving it (it then would have most likely gone to Cisse or he would have left it, if he left it I'd still count him as offside), however Cisse only really plays a mental part in it, as he only puts pressure on Evans as he knows he is there and clearing is the only option to him. However he is not gaining an advantage.
I don't see how all this shit matters, you guys won, just get over it.
Carroll.
tmatthew
His movement into an (offside) attacking position distracts Evans. I don't know why you thought it had to be a physical distraction.
Sam
Carroll.
That rule sounds absolutely stupid, some player miles away could be distracting an opponent, does that mean they're interfering with play?
VP.
Personally, i think the goal was rightly allowed by today's rules though.
Slashman X
VP.
Think he was holding Cisse so its his own fault anyway.
Telegram Sam
I know, I didn't say any of your points about him were wrong - I just found it humerous that the player you've so often declared happy to see the back of has come back to haunt you.
om4ever
I hate Goodison Park so much.
Last time Chelsea won there it took the best 3 goal combination you'll ever see
Ninja
How can you say that and then spend the next part of this thread arguing about a law you've shown you don't understand?
Nah.
The law as it is allows the game to flow well, there's many times in moves when players are in offside positions but inactive in one phase but onside and active in the next. Reverting to a law like that would lead to at least double the stoppages for offisde, and that's a waste of everyones time.
Here's a little diagram on interpretation of the law, which indicates that Dean was incorrect.
The bit about Evans holding Ba or vica/versa is also a stupid debate, if Ba wasn't standing in a offside posistion Evans couldn't be holding him therefore his being in that posistion is clearly inferring with Evans.
Poe
Also, the fact that Fergie got no punishment at all for the way he went on is a disgrace.
That being said, Utd will win the league - the way they keep going right until the final whistle is something Man City and Chelsea don't seem to do.
We played extremely well and deserved a draw though.