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De Gea > Reina.
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I'd much rather have De Gea than Reina.
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By K3V0 | Permalink | On 23 January 2013 - 14:33 PM
Should have gone to specsavers.


So should De Gea tbf
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By Obtuse | Permalink | On 23 January 2013 - 15:17 PM
So should De Gea tbf

Your old-man memory must be playing up; he had laser-eye surgery.
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By duckeggmoon | Permalink | On 23 January 2013 - 15:22 PM
Your old-man memory must be playing up; he had laser-eye surgery.


Past tense.
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What's the difference between a mistake by De Gea and a mistake by Joe Hart?


For De Gea it's cause he's apparently shit and for Hart it is was the defenders fault regardless
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Nah, it's always Hart's fault
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The difference between De Gea and Hart is the fact De Gea is a young foreign keeper in a settled Man Utd back four, the media will slaughter him as he's foreign and they want some self fueled power over other footballing nations, which is why Joe Hart, as England's number one is given the back-seat if he makes a mistake, as the press don't want the rest of the world to see a weakness in their best keeper. It's simple, they're both good keepers, De Gea is slaughtered to make the rest of the world think he's not good enough, and Hart can't put a foot wrong.
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That is a completely ridiculous post. Don't even know where to start with it.
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Tbf Gary Neville for one example has glossed over Hart's mistakes in the past and then completely rips into De Gea for similar.

Also I think the reason the press run with this narrative is because they said he was rubbish at the start of last season and really went to town, they don't want to admit they were a bit premature with the criticism so now they jump on any minor error and tear him to shreds.

The fact the rest of the defence has got off scot-free for that Spurs goal proves it, Evra, Rafael, Vidic all made mistakes too.
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Who'd be a goalkeeper, ey?
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By Telegram Sam | Permalink | On 24 January 2013 - 04:18 AM
Who'd be a goalkeeper, ey?

Guilty as charged. Sometimes its horrible.
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Good news for you guys, Casillas broke his hand and will miss your CL games
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I'm not really worried about Casillas.
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3-1 aggregate victory to Real Madrid.
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Anyone else monumentally underwhelmed by the Zaha signing?

I mean, I've seen nothing of him to suggest if £10m (15 if he's any good) is too much to spend on him but when you think you could have Isco or someone for that cash I can't help but feel like Crystal Palace have mugged us off.
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By Ninja | Permalink | On 24 January 2013 - 15:24 PM
Anyone else monumentally underwhelmed by the Zaha signing?

I mean, I've seen nothing of him to suggest if £10m (15 if he's any good) is too much to spend on him but when you think you could have Isco or someone for that cash I can't help but feel like Crystal Palace have mugged us off.

He's not going to turn out shit. I mean you'll get at least eight years out of him, even if he doesn't hit the heights. He'll become a good top four player and therefore £15m is a drop in the ocean when you consider the length you'll have him.
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De Gea is an amazing goalkeeper who'll only get better. He was at fault for the Spurs goal, but if it wasn't for him that goal would have been a winner and not an equaliser.

That Hansen article is a fucking joke.

I'm excited to see how well Zaha will do, he has really good potential. I do think Nani is on his way out in the summer now.
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By Fantastic | Permalink | On 24 January 2013 - 15:26 PM
He's not going to turn out shit. I mean you'll get at least eight years out of him, even if he doesn't hit the heights. He'll become a good top four player and therefore £15m is a drop in the ocean when you consider the length you'll have him.

Obviously, and our record of buying English is pretty exemplar. (Smalling, Jones, Carrick, Rooney etc... even Young is decent, he's just a cock) and I do like the fact that we buy English where sensible, I'm just really unsure when you compare the fee for him to the European fees that we couldn't have found better cheaper.
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By Sam | Permalink | On 24 January 2013 - 15:28 PM
I'm excited to see how well Zaha will do, he has really good potential. I do think Nani is on his way out in the summer now.

Don't see it.

If Nani goes we'll replace him, probably with James Rodriguez, Zaha won't be the player who forces Nani out the door (besides, Zaha only brings our quota of wingers up to 4, which is what we usually have).
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It's basically the exact same as the Walcott and Chamberlain deals. Ridiculous money for a Championship player who isn't exactly proven but has immense potential to be amongst the best
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By Ninja | Permalink | On 24 January 2013 - 15:30 PM
Obviously, and our record of buying English is pretty exemplar. (Smalling, Jones, Carrick, Rooney etc... even Young is decent, he's just a cock) and I do like the fact that we buy English where sensible, I'm just really unsure when you compare the fee for him to the European fees that we couldn't have found better cheaper.

I think players of comparable ability and age are going to cost the same amount. I don't think the price is inflated compared to market average.
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By Ninja | Permalink | On 24 January 2013 - 15:31 PM
Don't see it.

If Nani goes we'll replace him, probably with James Rodriguez, Zaha won't be the player who forces Nani out the door (besides, Zaha only brings our quota of wingers up to 4, which is what we usually have).


I'm guessing Nani is still pissed at nearly being forced out in the summer to Zenit.

I sadly think his days are numbered here.

I'd like him to stay, despite being frustrating at times.
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By Sam | Permalink | On 24 January 2013 - 18:41 PM
I'm guessing Nani is still pissed at nearly being forced out in the summer to Zenit.

I sadly think his days are numbered here.

I'd like him to stay, despite being frustrating at times.

Yeah, I agree, I reckon he'll go at some point in the summer. But I think he'd have gone regardless of signing Zaha.

The only player I think Zaha endangers is Young. If Welbeck is being treated as a Wide Forward/Winger then the combination of Welbeck/Valencia/Zaha/Nani(or replacement) could possibly see Young out the door, and I wouldn't be upset if it did.
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Welbeck is wasted on the wing though i think. Havent seen enough of Zaha to really have an opinion, remember him playing really well against us last season in the cup, but bar that nothing, will just have to wait and see. Someone like James Rodriguez would be ideal though. We're actually pretty weak on the wings in general, Nani and Young are far too inconsistent, Welbeck is decent but wasted there, and Valencia although usually consistent has been consistently awful recently.

Rafael and Evra have been our best 'wingers' this season
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Yeah, I don't see why many think Nani will be out mainly because he's "frustrating". Well he's been frustrating at certain points in all of the seasons he's been here, even when he had his best season a couple of years ago he was labelled inconsistent and frustrating at times. He's probably much better than Young and Valencia at producing creativity on the wings by weaving around defenders, and much more unpredictable than Valencia who always tends to drive wide and cross. Nani's having a bad season at the moment for sure, but he'll surely turn it around when he wants to and when given the chance.

As for Welbeck I like seeing him on the wing because his dribbling, pace, and power are class. His shot isn't bad at all, it's just that he isn't the most efficient with his chances, and if improved, I think he could be a pretty decent inside forward similar to how Ronaldo played here.

I also agree with what was said up there how Zaha costing +10m could've been spent on Isco or somebody else that we actually need. With Welbeck likely staying on the wing we have 4 wingers which is usually enough. I'm still thinking we should spend on a CM since Fletcher's out and the likes of Cleverley and Carrick should have the workload shared.
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By SpinSwimScream | Permalink | On 24 January 2013 - 19:58 PM
Welbeck is wasted on the wing though i think. Havent seen enough of Zaha to really have an opinion, remember him playing really well against us last season in the cup, but bar that nothing, will just have to wait and see. Someone like James Rodriguez would be ideal though. We're actually pretty weak on the wings in general, Nani and Young are far too inconsistent, Welbeck is decent but wasted there, and Valencia although usually consistent has been consistently awful recently.

Rafael and Evra have been our best 'wingers' this season

I agreed with that 3 weeks ago, but I've changed my mind. Welbeck's so fantastic outside of the box and (I think it's a mental problem more than anything) hopeless inside of it. He's capable of playing his game from the wing, he'll never be a traditional winger but he definitely can play it as an inside right or inside left, and he'll do a sterling job defensively too.

As for the wings I think we're actually very good there, just have had awful luck this season with injuries and player form. I think Valencia has to be carrying an injury, he's just not an explosive player like he used to be, and that was all he really had in his locker.

By TheClassicK | Permalink | On 24 January 2013 - 20:00 PM
Yeah, I don't see why many think Nani will be out mainly because he's "frustrating". Well he's been frustrating at certain points in all of the seasons he's been here, even when he had his best season a couple of years ago he was labelled inconsistent and frustrating at times. He's probably much better than Young and Valencia at producing creativity on the wings by weaving around defenders, and much more unpredictable than Valencia who always tends to drive wide and cross. Nani's having a bad season at the moment for sure, but he'll surely turn it around when he wants to and when given the chance.


That's not why people think he'll be gone.

He's easily our best winger and one of our best players (in fact, he's probably the best winger in the league when he wants to be, only Bale comes close), but he's got a year left on his contract in the summer, its not looking like he'll sign a new one and Ferguson was freezing him out even before his injury. The writing seems to be on the wall.
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Hopefully he can get his head screwed on, sign a new contract and perform to his best, if he does that he'll get a big pay increase like his heart desires. Nani has the potential to match or go very close to what Ronaldo did for us imo, he can score plenty of goals and make goals, but it's just that consistency and decision making he really needs to improve on.
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"It has been over the top. It's always over the top when it comes to criticism here.

"The boy has got to brush it aside. Thirty seconds from time, he was a revelation according to most people. He was fantastic and made some fantastic saves. I'm not interested in discussing the criticism now because it's unfounded.

The boss also addressed the situation during his weekly press conference at Carrington, outlining his plan to support De Gea whilst lamenting the pitfalls of being a goalkeeper.

“It is better we deal with David De Gea rather than the press deal with him. I think we are quite good at that. He had a fantastic game and was 30 seconds away from that. I remember talking about how well he played and then 30 seconds from time the ball park changes.

“It is unfortunate for the lad but he has to deal with it. We will help him. Outfield players maybe make 20 mistakes in a game. But they are in a crucial position. We are okay with him."


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Some sense from Fergie, also indirectly called Neville an idiot as well.
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