PlayStation 4?

The generation after the PS4 will probably not even have discs. That's if the UK has semi decent internet speeds by that time.

Because PC games pretty much always had codes so they were always one use, long before Steam came along. Not to mention people buying PC's aren't buying them from places that sell PC games.

If Sony and MS decide to block used games on their consoles (which wont happen imo) then where are they going to sell the consoles? Cause you sure as hell aren't going to have Amazon, Game, Gamestop, even supermarkets now aren't going to sell a console that blocks a revenue stream that is so profitable for them. Retailers hold all the cards when it comes to used games, not the console makers.

Its hard to say that though, the only way that would happen is if MS and Sony started selling direct or just through supermarkets which could possible happen but its not just internet speeds stopping it going completely digital.

You really think the likes of Amazon and Game would stop selling consoles?

The used market is much, much smaller than the new market. They'll make about 90-95% of their revenue through new games.

That's not true.

Retailers make most of their money through used, because they get a far bigger cut of the revenue than through new.

They make a bigger cut, but they make most their money through new games.

The used game market is about 6-7% the size of the new game market.

They make a bigger cut, but they make most their money through new games.

The used game market is about 6-7% the size of the new game market.

Of the market, maybe, but that market includes retailers that do not offer used e.g. Supermarkets.

The figures for retailers that do seem to be close to about a 40/60 split used to new, that's a huge chunk of revenue to lose.

So why are MS and Sony doing it?

Don't supermarkets now do pre-owned? I think ASDA do, might have just been a trial.



Can't see myself buying a next-gen console if this happens.

They make a bigger cut, but they make most their money through new games.

The used game market is about 6-7% the size of the new game market.

There isn't a chance in hell they will block used game sales, dont know why its even being suggested

They make a bigger cut, but they make most their money through new games.

The used game market is about 6-7% the size of the new game market.

Keep telling yourself that.
Microsoft and Sony make zero money from used games sells. As do all other companies. If they could nuke the market, they would. Without question.

That sound about right, but there are a few things you're not taking into account. Retailers make about 25% from game sales and the cost of the stock is about 10% of the price. So, if you're buying a new game, Game are making about £6. That's as opposed to £20 or so they're making on used game game which goes straight into their till. iirc game retailed make about 25% of their money from used game sales. It's not the majority, but you have to consider that the high street is fucked, The bonus money they make from selling used games rather than new could decide whether a store makes a profit or a loss.

But to suggest that these companys would refuse to stock new consoles is ridicuous. They'd go out of business overnight.

You say that then ignore my points as to why it wont happen, maybe a few generations in the future but not the next one.

But your whole argument was based off on the fact that you believe that retailer have the say over Microsoft which isn't the case. If Sony/MS release a console with anti-used game DRM, first of all online retailers, places like Argos and supermarket would not give a fuck, (Most) online retailers and Argos don't deal with used games and supermarkets do but only just. If other places stocked it, then Game would HAVE to stock it. There's no alternative, if other major retailers sell it and Game don't then that's it, Game are out of business.

Having said that, I'm talking about a hypothetical. I think what they're wanting to do is add like serial codes to games so the first time someone uses the copy, the game gets attached to that persons account and if you're using a used copy, you'll have to buy a code.

Keep telling yourself that.
Microsoft and Sony make zero money from used games sells. As do all other companies. If they could nuke the market, they would. Without question.

Are you honestly comparing the housing and car market to video games?

Houses cost hundreds of thousands of dollars, games cost 40 quid. They're not comparable at all. Houses and cars are assets, games aren't.

And? You literally have a million things you could sell.

Fuck it, you could sell your toaster if you wanted to and thats probably worth about 20p it's worth is irrelevant.

Everyone gets all snippety because it's games, as if no other item you ever owned had someone put time and effort in to making it.

Games companies trying to kill the used market is nothing other than greedy companies attempting to screw over the consumer.

Although saying that, EU law means that games companies can not legally stop you from selling on a digital product, let alone a physical one. So where they to introduce games tied to accounts with single use codes they would be in contravention of EU law.

Steam get away with it.

Because no ones taken them to court yet.

TAKING VALVE TO COURT GUYS BRB.

Probably the most pointless post you've ever made.

Because no ones taken them to court yet.

Microsoft/Sony doing it would impact on companies business in a way that makes a court case far more likely.

You mean If Microsoft sold software which couldn't then be sold on? Don't they already do exactly that with Office and Windows..?

but still miles behind the 360's.