theyre all last season kits…

I appreciate the feedback! Things definitely aren't perfect we've had a real issue where people weren't too forthcoming with discussing how to do things before launch so we're using quite a haphazard approach of fixing/improving things as we go.

You're absolutely right it's not that easy to merge FM23 and FM24 right now (or any combo).

I think the best thing to do would have a “latest” pack which would just have the latest image we can even if it's 2021 or something.

In the top right there's a year dropdown icon.

Alot of people are struggling to find it so I will think how to improve the UI for that.

The naming of the kits as ID has no relevance to downloading as nation vs all at once. We can change the names to use names if that's better, but it would be helpful to understand what it is you're trying to do and how you're using it.

Can you tell me what it is you're doing when looking at the names of the kits?

It's always been very difficult to merge packs over years since the names change with no system in place e.g. Man Utd home over the years has been called:

manu_1.png

manutd_1.png

man_utd_1.png

munited.home.iFrancesco10.png

manchester_1.png

manutd_h.png

The same is true for most clubs.

So its never been a case of easy drag and drop.

@White Flag same question to you since you mentioned having 19,500 kits so have obviously spent time managing them as well. What's your process for doing so?

I have a folder for each country, and I place division folders in there as they become available. All folders are labelled with the FM year in question. Then, when a newer version of any division is released I replace it with the new. Some files are 8+ years old now - some will date back to when graphics in FM first became a thing. Where a newer version has not been released then this is better that nothing.

As others have said I prefer the older method of merely downloading individual division / country files as they become available. Nice and simple. Personally I have a powerful desktop with 48.8GB's of graphics total, 691,000 files. Plus a slower laptop with under 10gb total: on the laptop I just have what I need (ie generally European graphics). It's good to be able to choose.

Thanks for the response @White Flag but I don't totally follow.

Are all 8+ years in your FM folder or are they somewhere else and then you move the ones you want into your FM folder?

How do you handle the names not matching between years?

How do deal with moving teams between divisions such as Leicester this year? If a new Prem pack is released before a new Champ pack and you “replace” them as you say. Then wouldn't you wind up without a Leicester kit because it won't be in the new Prem or the old Champ?

Similarly if you download a new pack with Conference N/S and you don't have packs for non league won't you loss the kits from the teams that have been relegated?

Also if anyone hasn't realised (and I'll try and make this clearer on the SS Kits page) if you have all the years named by year then the game will automatically pick up the latest one because it discovers them alphanumerically so if the latest kit for a particular ID it finds is in the 2016 folder it will use that one then if you add one in the 2022 that will overwrite with no manual effort from you.

So if you want all the kits you can download each year one by one and have them all on your computer.

If people are concerned about space we could produce a config that contains all the IDs and people can simply merge the folders themselves and then add the config, we wouldn't have to supply a seperate download of the images themselves.

All files are in the usual, main, Graphics folder within the usual, main, FM folder in my Documents folder.

Sure, files will overwrite, but not if one year the individual files are named by number but then next year by club name.

Promotion and relegation the files within each division folder changes year on year. For the more important (to me) leagues such as the main European ones, the whole upper pyramid is updated each year so a gap of a few weeks for all to be updated is not really an issue.

my setup is exactly the same, also with this new method how do we know when new kits have been added or updated?? 

the plan is that there is going to be a monthly update which includes just the new kits in the same way as the cut out megapack works 

In collaboration with seven prominent football clubs, including Real Betis, Las Palmas, Everton, Southampton, Coventry City, FC Köln, and Brøndby IF, hummel introduces a limited-edition Equality Jersey.

ive just downloaded the coventry 3rd kit and updated it in the editor, am i going to have to wait a month for it to appear in the game with an updated FMF folder?

The fmf file will only change the menu colours not the kit, as the FMF file is not SS specific so it is . unlikely it will be included in the Mega pack or the individual packs @Footygamer will be able to confirm for certain. 

It is the config file that will add the missing kits to the game and that will be in the mega pack and updates. 

I'm not totally sure what you mean by the first sentence saying you just downloaded it and updated it in the editor or the reference to an fmf folder, but in regards waiting for a month:

Old Way

In the old system you would have to wait upto 4.5 months since English kits first started getting created or specifically in Coventry home's case you would have had to wait a little over a month since Coventry home was created.

Either that or continuously monitor a specific comment on a specific page of a forum topic and then manually download each image and generate the XML yourself.

April 23rd: Bolid started posting Championship on Page 333 of the official kits thread
July 28th: The comment was edited to include Coventry Home. To get it have to monitor Page 333, save the image and generate your own config.xml
September 4th: The kits are gathered together by Hammer9 and uploaded as a zip and you can now download as a pack with a config.xml.

New Way

In the new way you have to wait upto 4 weeks for it to be added to the megapack.

Either that or monitor this feed of new images (or this Championship page or this Coventry page if you only care about Champ/Coventry) and download either a single image or an entire team or league with config.xml included.

Show Spoiler

April 23rd: Bolid starts posting kits to the submission system

May 1st: A small change file is released giving you all images updated in April

July 28th: Coventry Home is posted to the submissions system. To get it you have to monitor a chronological feed or sections dedicated to specific leagues or teams and click a download button that includes the config.xml

August 1st: A small change file is released giving you all the images updated in June including Coventry Home.

Comparing the two

If you compare the new way vs the old way specifically for your example of Coventry.

• To get the kit instantly on July 28th when it was created is roughly the same but it's easier to monitor a chronological feed than a comment on Page 333 of a forum topic.
• To get the kit in a premade pack with config.xml you would have had to wait 4 days instead of 38 days

I think the new way is undeniably better?

Improved New Way

We can still improve the new way.

• Adding a “download all” button on the chronological feed of recent changes
• Having a page with a date picker and the option to “download new since” or “download between”
• Having the megapacks update instantly rather than once a month
• Having a desktop app that lets you automatically download new kits and manage your folders (genuinely in the works).
• Browsing UI could be massively improved currently switching year is too confusing

What i'm stuck at now is trying to understand what people are asking for in this thread so little progress is being made on those new improvements because I don't want to waste time doing something wrong if i've misunderstood. But i'm also struggling to understand what people are asking for or criticising. So the whole thing is sort of stalled.

Have I misunderstood the old way?

If i've misunderstood the “old way” and was actually it was far simpler than how i've laid out then could you please explain what your old way was it would really, really help.

If you have a folder setup of:

• graphics/2017/man_utd.png from="man_utd" to="graphics/pictures/team/680/kits/home"
• graphics/2018/manchester_united.png from="manchester_united" to="graphics/pictures/team/680/kits/home"
• graphics/2019/680.png from="680" to="graphics/pictures/team/680/kits/home"

Then they will absolutely overwrite and 2019 will appear in your game.

If you try and drag the 2018 and 2019 folders into your original 2017 folder so you only have one folder then no they will not and you'll get in a mess. That would be more likely to happen when using club name than sticking to ID so a move to ID seems to fix that problem going forward.

So to go back to your original question

Can you explain what we need to download if we want to have the most up to date kits, please?

My preferred way is to download each game year and store in folders named by year 2013,2014,2015…2022,2023,2024. You never have to worry about pre 2024 ever again this way but you can easily grab old “retro” kits if you so wished.

If you are short on space on your computer and only want one image per team then you can merge these folders and I will release a single config.xml which includes them all so they don't clash. This is on a todo list sorry I haven't gotten round to it.

the “old way" is way way way more simpler (sorry, but how don't you know on your own page?)

first of all: the packs got updates, you even get a notice here when a pack you downloaded got an update. Most of the time they were faster than your 38 day example (especially bolid). Most of the kits in the kit-thread were sooner or later packed in a file, like for FM22 hammer9 and I did with the kits from German lower divisions.

In my opinion the old system offers everybody the option to choose the leagues he wants to download in a more precise way + the creator got a little credit. Also just my two pence to that, I think most of the people just don't update e.g. FM19 kits to like FM23 kits, because it causes a lot of problems (reason for SSKCC), especially with 3D kits. FM18/19 has different maps than FM20-23. Just speaking for me, but I just use the kits for the specific version, no older ones. With the old system also everybody can see e.g. Seria A 22-23 in a folder. Nobody needs to know if it is acmilan1.png, acm_1.png or milan_home.png, because the config does the part and every file has them in it. Even if you want to replace the old files, just delete the old folder and place the new folder. Simple.

Experienced users will face with the "new way" a lot of butthurt, my graphics folder is a fine pyramid e.g. in kits there are folders: 00Nations, AFC, CAF, CONCACAF, CONMEBOL, OFC, UEFA → each country has its own folder in these confederations and each league in the country folder. So it has a maximum of structure and I can easily change something by my own in seconds. Most names in the folders are clear, like I see zalgiris1.png in the ..\kits\UEFA\Lithuania\A Lyga folder is the first kit of Zalgiris, so if there is any updated image, I can just download that one image and replace it with the same name like the author did. Also it is easier to merge it with the FC12 files. Just place the specific folder in the right place or even pick some kits out and rename. Now it is just a big cloud of mixed files.

Megapacks are for the lazy ones. It is ok to give this option, but don't refuse to offer the old system as it was somehow perfect as it was. Also all the creators won't get their credits. It is a warm rain on the soul if you see how many times people downloaded your files or leave a small thanks.

Just wanted to mention, hammer9 did an awesome work to manage all these packs, I can understand to reduce his workload and don't want to kill his freetime 😀.

Isn't “instant” better than “sooner or later”? I'm afraid I don't understand the preference for “Manually made zips by me and hammer9 when we can find the time sooner or later” vs “instantly generated by code with no human effort” and you haven't really explained you've just stated it as fact rather than offering an explanation.

I'll try to reiterate here's a list of how many packs there were and how many updates per year:

fm2016: 205 packs updated 362 times
fm2017: 207 packs updated 397 times
fm2018: 177 packs updated 343 times
fm2019: 131 packs updated 292 times
fm2020: 145 packs updated 281 times
fm2021: 151 packs updated 378 times
fm2022: 91 packs updated 268 times
fm2023: 51 packs updated 251 times

Old Way

1. Everytime you login you see X number of packs have been downloaded. Do this 250-400 times a year.
2. Download each one separately.
3. For each pack check if you already have one and delete it
4. For each pack unzip and put it in your graphics folder

New Way

1. Download 1 pack a month. Do this 12 times a year.
2. For each monthly pack unzip it and drag the new files into your kits folder.
3. Optionally on any day click a button that says “Download new since last downloaded” and download what's new.
4. Unzip it and drag the new files into your kits folder. 

Comparison

With the old way there's no way for anyone to keep 100% up to date without doing 250-400 downloads. Even if you do the 250-400 downloads you're still sometimes weeks or months behind waiting for packs to be released or updated.

With the “improved new way” if you want to be 100% up to date you only have to download just 12 times a year and a maximum of 4 weeks behind. Or you have the option to download 365 times a year and always be instantly up to date.

You're right people don't update because it causes problems, but that doesn't mean they don't want to update, they just don't because it's difficult, so why can't we try and make it easier? There's literally people in this thread asking how they get the most recent of each teams kit even its not FM23 so it is 100% something people want.

I agree it will be a pain for people who have their folders organised in a specific way to move to an ID based system. That's why i'm spending alot of time asking people how they currently manage their system and giving myself the seemingly impossible task of building a hybrid system that accommodates them rather than the simpler system I would prefer. I definitely haven't refused to do anything.

If you read back the thread i've just been asking for feedback and thoughts often with zero response. I'm willing to do anything anyone asks so long as they just ask and take the time to properly explain themselves.

For example if they were all named as ID but the FM XML app had a button that let you organise them however you want e.g. by nation or by league or named their long name or their short name or their french name or whatever existing name you have in there, that would presumably let everyone organise them how they want. Would that be reasonable? What features would you like to see in such an app? 

Credits is definitely a big thing! I've always thought it was weird how everything was in hammer's name and authors just got a little note within a big blurb of text. I'd love to improve that by properly giving credit where it's due.

Perhaps rather than saying “Oh your new way takes away credit from people” you could say something like “Hey we should try and find ways to give people proper credit how about X feature or Y feature or Z feature”. That would make the same point but in a more positive way, the other way comes across negative and can sometimes put me in a negative headspace when i'm putting in alot of work to try improve it for everyone and accommodate everyone.

That's not entirely aimed at you, i'm aware many others will read this so aimed at everyone of course 🙂 

I fully agree, the “old way” is the best way. It's not always necessary to reinvent the wheel. It's worked up to now so I don't understand why there is deemed a need to change things just for the sake of change.

First of all, if I sounded rude, that was not my intention and excuse me if it came to your mind that way.

Instant is also kind of debatable. It is the same instant, like before, it is there, while is it offered (just with the negative point of searching). The manually made zips are in that way better, as they offer the option to chose from ordered leagues. As we could see before, certain leagues are more frequently downloaded than others. Next point, the count of updates does not mean if there was no update something went wrong. Besides the teamed German lower league file, I never needed to update any file, because from the start every kit was in or no kit had the need of an update. So a lot of them may be “perfect” as they are from the start. Even with your comparison I like the old way more and maybe I'm not the only one about it. I don't condemn the whole system. But as White Flag said, “It's not always necessary to reinvent the wheel. It's worked up to now so I don't understand why there is deemed a need to change things just for the sake of change.”

This is not a offense against your idea of improvement, but sometimes it is just a step to far to do so.

Yeah, but the problems stay the same. Also yeah, there may be people who do this, but we can name it speculations if there is a majority or not (also about my thesis). So why not offer both ways?

It is not a offense against you or your efforts. I really appreciate your efforts. But now, if you get a feedback, maybe it is a point to think about that some may not completely like it and also this should be OK. You implemented a whole (sometimes complex) system rather than let things just go as they were (fine). People may not respond, because they don't know this thread exists or simply don't care about reading, they are here for downloads, reading stories or uploading content. I explained myself and I feel not offended but somehow not taken seriously.

Speaking for me, I do my configs on my own, but I don't know what this app can handle. Let me just put my thoughts on this. I am not a programer and I don't know if it is possible, but it would be useful to organize a structure like it is listed within the site and game. For example if the kits are from FC Schalke 04 it should be placed in something like: ..\graphics\kits\UEFA\Germany\2. Bundesliga\ and ..\graphics\3dkits\UEFA\Germany\2. Bundesliga\ for 3d kits separately each with their own configs. This is just my ordering system, it may not be the best in the eyes of everybody. You should not forget there are also FC'12 kits or sources not coming from this page, which can easily get implemented in that way. Also you can easily check if there is a “better” version or something like that. In addition to the structure there should maybe be an option (checkbox?) for downloading the pack. What I mean? If you like England, Germany and Italy, but not Uzbekistan, Peru, Botswana and Malta, you can chose not to download them. I don't care about the names in general, I have my way to name the files, but if it is necessary to name them in another way to fit the system, I would do so. So in the end we could also have both systems: the zips + your system. Or creators could in the end offer a kind of zip together with their implemention (like if you upload several files e.g. for cutouts in a pack).

It is not weird. As a creator I can only speak for myself, but hammer is the gatekeeper of kits, lets say godfather of kits 😀 so it feels not like betrayal if he organizes the pack writing my name in the info. Also with every pack organized seperately you have a place of community, somebody can say thank you or give feedback on how to improve, correct something, add something or whatever. Now there is no space for that. There is no connection between creator and consumer.

In the end, it is what it is. To state my point (which is a negative one) I don't see to make it look somehow positive. I understand it is your baby and you want to raise it, totally understand it. But sometimes kids get not like you wanted them to be, even if you had the best thoughts on them and wanted the best. Not to say it may was not necessary to do all this. Again, it is 100% no front against you or your work. But you may have to face criticism if you change something by 180°. I guess nobody wants to offend you personally by doing so.

So in the end creators of kits of all kinds (I don't want to sound selfish) should definitly get their credit. Because it is the most exhausting part of all the graphics. See, bolid is doing like every village in England and does an amazing work, he should get the cheers he deserves for this. 

Maybe the best way (opinion) is to run both systems.

I can't stress enough i'm trying to do the best of both ways. I could have just disabled the old way and copy and pasted the same system from the backgrounds and cut outs. That's why this is taking so long and people are finding it a bit confusing and the UI/UX isn't perfect. Because its's 1000x harder to make this hybrid system. But that's definitely what's happening.

I'm a little confused why your main point seems to be to not to take things away, the only real thing thats been taken away is the UI on the main SS Kits so now you'd have to look in the forums for packs. If i'm missing something else could you try and articulate what you've feel like you'd lost in the past few weeks of changes?

There absolutely is a space for that here is an example comment I quickly made:  https://sortitoutsi.net/graphics/browse/2/4774/timeline#comment_752638 

That's how the Data Update and Cut Out communities work and have thriving communities.

Compare the number of comments saying thank you and giving feedback on cut outs compared to ss kit packs:

SS Kit Packs

2020 1,454
2021 1,501
2022 817
2023 492

Cut Out Submissions

2020 11,323
2021 9,237
2022 6,595
2023 3,572

And what's more you haven't lost the old way. You can still comment on packs and you can still comment on the threads on the forums.

Can you explain what you mean by “Now there is no space for that” ???

Now there's more space for that !!!

If it's a UI/UX issue and you're not not able to find stuff you could previously i'll try and resolve that, but it's definitely not true that “there is no space for that”.

For some added context that not everyone may have noticed. Here's how many kits have been made per game:

2018 47,008 kits for 4820 teams
2019 44,591 kits for 4629 teams
2020 37,352 kits for 4836 teams
2021 39,803 kits for 3916 teams
2022 31,818 kits for 3302 teams
2023 16,848 kits for 2597 teams
2024 326 kits for 80 teams (till Sept only)

To me that looks like the whole project is slowly dying.

It looks even worse if you compare only March and July when new kits are being announced.

2018 14,038 kits for 1,392 teams
2019 8,208 kits for 1,714 teams
2020 11,247 kits for 2,586 teams
2021 9,087 kits for 2,243 teams
2022 7,598 kits for 1,618 teams
2023 2,292 kits for 654 teams

Looking at that it felt like the death of SS KIts was accelerating. Which is why this thread was started at the end of July.

This obviously wasn't helped by Hammer9 being offline and when I was trying to find people to step in and take his role nobody could even tell me what his process was, there was literally nobody willing to step in and take that on nor anyone who could teach someone else how to do it.

Given that context do you still think the old way is the best way? Because it seems like the project is only going downhill and I can't see how keeping it the same will help, let alone be “perfect”?

Compare that to the sections of the site which have switched to the submission and browsing system and are booming ever since the switch.

Cut Outs

2015 37,738
2016 50,877
2017 110,617
2018 113,864
2019 147,793
2020 246,650
2021 263,691
2022 228,182
2023 175,953 (until Sept only)

It's not guaranteed but it doesn't seem unreasonable to think that the switch will have the same positive impact on SS Kits.

I'm struggling to phrase this sentence so please don't take it too harshly, but it seems like you @Armamaddon and @White Flag and others are risking letting the whole project die by being just stuck in your ways. I assume it's not intentional to find its slow death preferable but it would be a very unfortunate consequence.

Maybe place the “old way” just below and maybe everyone is happy? I see it's not gone, but it's hidden compared to before. UI should be easy to use and most people are lazy. That is why I said “now there is no space for that” and I fear it will completely dissapear because of the new system (just my thoughts/"fears" on this).

I just made my point of what could be improved. I would never want to let the project die. But I also don't see a real reference between the numbers and a possible end or process of it. Also I don't see a real link between single-picture based stuff and league-wise stuff. You can't simply compare cutouts with SS-kits. But that's maybe just me. I don't say you are wrong and I'm right. I just state my point of view. Again you begin to not take my points seriously. I will not offend you but you act like that, it is clearly visible in the last paragraph. Come on, why should I want to kill a section I really like?

Numbers on participation don't reflect a bad system. It is no process where people think there should be something new for me to participate. You need to have creators who do kits and they are more rare than people who do cutouts, as it is compared more easy to do them. So you should ask creators what could make them feel better or support them to do kits. You have the opinion from 1 actually, I don't speak for everyone else, but doing kits is a hard job, as you need to collect stuff (pictures of teams and all the sponsors), search for the right templates or do one on your own and it is exhausting at all. I did a break of one season. Maybe others did the same or just don't want to have a workload like that. This is why numbers going down.

I'm definitely taking you seriously I'm writing long comments and spending time doing research of numbers trying to address your concerns. Literal hours over the past few days. Sorry if the tone doesn't always come across right.

And to be clear I was trying to say I think you risk accidentally killing (or letting die) something you really like. Which is very different to saying you are intentionally trying to kill it.

And I think it's caused by just being stuck in a certain way of thinking.

Take this one sentence: “Also I don't see a real link between single-picture based stuff and league-wise stuff”

Why are they different? They're both made of single images. Players belong to teams the same way teams belong to leagues. Why is faces not thought of as team-wise stuff?

Why can't 12 different people each make 1 team from the Welsh league or 24 different people each make the home and away?

If the cut outs was organised so that only one person did each team it would be worse. It would put more pressure on that one person which would make them more likely to drop out and it would put new people off joining because it's a bigger task.

But when we make it so anyone can dip in and do any face it increased from 40k to 250k per year and far more people join and contribute.

If we forced it into "team-wise stuff" like SS kits that would destroy it and it would slowly dwindle down to 40k again.

On the other hand maybe we can apply the same thing to kits and take the burden off creators and encourage new people the same we did with the cut outs and we might see it increase from 16,000 kits to 80,000 the same way cut outs increased.

Your own comment ends with “maybe others don't want a workload like that".

That's exactly what this is trying to solve and it's been proven to work already.

I can't guarantee it will work again but seems reasonable to think it might.

Maybe, but also maybe not. I guess we don't come to the same point and this is also OK. I will not leave and once I finished my masters thesis I will put some work over here, no matter what system I have to face and to clarify, I like the point where the kits are linked to the IDs in the database.

They are different because to get one player, you need one picture and in most cases they look very similar, even when different people work on them and it is no problem if they vary a bit. But kits are completely different. Also I don't see why 12 people should work on one team? I know it is just a random number, but why? Please ask other creators about that. The kits will look different, the logos will have different sizes, maybe colors or different places and this would be quantity over quality. So in the end most of the leagues still will be in the hand of one creator (which is totally OK), at least one whole team. Most people do at least a complete set of one team (see in the presentation thread), there is no need to involve more people in that process (per team). With the new system there will be a lot more kits available for lets say lonely wolve teams for a wider community (e.g. a single team from El Salvador). This is a really good point and a lot of people will profit from that and not need to get single kits from the thread which are not part of league-packs. 

The option to take part in making kits is already given, no matter what system is placed. It is just not the same workload as we have with cutouts. I worked together with some other creators in the past and it was a very good experience to share and work together, but get stuff from lets say “normal people” 😀 is sometimes no help for the process. This is also no offense against all non-creators, some are really helpful. It is hard to get people to do kits, again, it does not matter what system of contribution they face, the problem is the work itself.

I would like to be wrong on my whole point, but what I have read here also from some creators is confusion or stating nearly my thoughts. It would be good to involve creators (especially the ones, who are the main contributors) into the whole discussion.

You can now upload multiple submissions at once from the contribute page 

The purpose of this is to help people get the images into the submission system rather than doing it one by one. It does not replace Hammer's packs that go into the forum that people are used to. Although it is a little annoying right now in that if you have a league pack you may have to upload it twice, i'm working with Hammer to try and avoid this.

When you upload multiple files DO NOT UPLOAD A ZIP you can select multiple files including configs e.g.

It will then read the XML and give you a page like this which shows you all the kits you just uploaded and the team it linked it to.

From here you can quickly check it's all okay and make any quick edits if you make a mistake. Then it “Submit All” to confirm the submissions.

If you don't upload a config.xml that's okay it will temporarily be labelled as “Invalid” and you can link each image to a team or nation using the search.

Special Characters bug

I'm also having some issues matching the config to the filenames when special characters are used. It seems to be Polish specific but may affect other languages too. I'm still trying to fix this.

this is no bug, the config itself can't handle special characters, it is based on UTF-8

Some changes to the system, pack links added to the home page alongside the megapacks links.

UI for year switching has been improved to be clearer and quicker.

Team pages now show every year

Competition and nation pages now list all related manual packs at the bottom.

Lots of duplicates have been cleared up so it all looks less messy.

Still to do:

• Import 2011-2020
• Add “Download new since last megapack” button
• Ability to download national team kits.
• Add retro kits to team pages
• Ability to auto post submissions to the main thread
• Tool to make sure there's not inconsistencies between packs from Hammer etc and megapacks
• Desktop app for auto downloading and managing tmp retro/fantasy/alt kits

That is in Footygamers still to do in the post directly above yours 

I think @Sergei Alpha is saying the links to FM12 kits on mediafire are dead e.g. this one: https://sortitoutsi.net/content/266/holland-hoofdklasse-saturday-a-league 

@hammer9 I would guess normally your process would be download each one individually and reupload one by one and this would take some time?

This is again one of the benefits of the new system, I think this should easily be automated by a script, I will look into it tomorrow.