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“I think he’s got a major role to play because we need to try and get as many goals as we possibly can. I think Wayne can play up-top he can play dropped in. Overall my thought on Wayne is he’ll be key. If for any reason we had an injury to Robin. Robin, we are going to need him. I want to be able to play the two of them, I want to be able to use Danny Welbeck, Chicarito as well. The first year I think I have to get a chance to see (all the players) and how best to use them. It’s a chance for me to get Wayne right back to where he was. That’s the challenge and a challenge I want to take on. I’ve also got to make sure it’s not just him and we don’t concentrate on him. Manchester United isn’t about Wayne Rooney.”
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By Verse | Permalink | On 18 July 2013 - 09:00 AM
I understand that's when his contract expires. I was more inclining the point of who would want Rooney in 2 years time if he's been left to rot? Chelsea sure as hell wouldn't (I'd hope).

£20-25 million isn't cheap. He's certainly not worth £30m+ in the current climate, put it that way. Not off the back of an average season, doubts over fitness, and in a years time could be signed even cheaper with only 12 months remaining on his contract. Add in the public fact he wants out, United don't really have a lot of leverage in this instance as they might think. Sure, United can keep him. Which they can afford to do financially. But that can cause some serious disruption within the squad and would most likely mean they'd receive even less later on for him. Rooney's place in Rio will be safe, irrespective if he plays much or not. He's lucky that England lack any sort of real depth and quality up front, so I can't see him being left behind.

Rooney isn't lowly rated, he's certainly a quality player when he's fit and firing, no doubt. The issue is that 2 of his past 3 seasons he's under performed. I'd like to think Chelsea would recognise the situation on hand and not offer anything more than around £25-£27 million to secure him. If United don't bite, so be it. Another 12 months time more options might be available beyond Rooney, and he'll be cheaper once again this time next year.

It will simply come down to if United and Moyes are willing to hold onto a player who doesn't want to remain and are prepared to handle any potential fallout that can possible arise from that.

We have all the leverage in the world. If we don't want to sell him he doens't go. We're not going to be bullied by Chelsea and if we don't sell him we're convinced that he will contribute and yes we're almsot certainly well aware that Chelsea won't want him in 2 years time (regardless of whether he's been left to rot or not I reckon) which would probably be the clubs favourite outcome to this whole saga.

He's also had one average season in the past 3 years, the other season you refer to he had injury problems at the start and then came back for the second half of the season playing as a number 10 and put in some of the best performances he ever has in a United shirt.

I think the other thing that you have to consider is that Rooney going is going to cause bad PR for the club, so I imagine any money we do get from him leaving will go straight away onto a high profile bid for a player (probably Bale) so it's in our interests to demand as much money as possible to defuse negative chat about Moyes selling Rooney.
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Yeah Rooney is massive commercial wise. Think I read that he sells the 3rd most shirts/merchandise in the world after Messi and Ronaldo which would be an absolute fortune, plus all the image rights etc that come with it. He's still the 'star' of Man Utd in that sense so by selling cheap they'd be taking a massive hit in revenue.
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By Telegram Sam | Permalink | On 18 July 2013 - 03:06 AM
Are City planning on getting Negredo instead of Jovetic, or do they want both?

By bluemoon. | Permalink | On 18 July 2013 - 07:27 AM
Both. Depending on how you look at it, Jovetic is either Tevez' replacement or the alternative to Isco. Negredo's replacing Balotelli.


Aye, Jovetic is being bought to play more out wide, him and Navas wide with Silva in the center seems to be the consensus.
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It isn't half depressing to see City spend £100m or so on new players by mid-July when we don't appear close to getting anyone.
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Deal agreed for Jovetic \o/
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By AFC | Permalink | On 18 July 2013 - 10:02 AM
Yeah Rooney is massive commercial wise. Think I read that he sells the 3rd most shirts/merchandise in the world after Messi and Ronaldo which would be an absolute fortune, plus all the image rights etc that come with it. He's still the 'star' of Man Utd in that sense so by selling cheap they'd be taking a massive hit in revenue.


But Rooney is massive because he is Man United's highest profile player. Fanboys who support Man Utd want his name for that reason. The top player from Man Utd will, for the foreseeable future, sell a fuckton of shirts. If Utd buy Bale then Bale will easily sell those sorts of figures.
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PSG will bid Messi's release clause if Barca bid Thiago Silva's release clause

Make it happen
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By Blaze | Permalink | On 18 July 2013 - 21:42 PM
PSG will bid Messi's release clause if Barca bid Thiago Silva's release clause

Make it happen


Then Messi will have no reason to move but Thiago will.
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PSG have signed Marquinhos from Roma for €35m, it'd be great to see him and Silva together but he's also got the quality to replace him.
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By Justicar | Permalink | On 18 July 2013 - 21:57 PM
Then Messi will have no reason to move but Thiago will.


Just because its always fun when 2 clubs feud and they threaten each others players
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By Justicar | Permalink | On 18 July 2013 - 21:24 PM
But Rooney is massive because he is Man United's highest profile player. Fanboys who support Man Utd want his name for that reason. The top player from Man Utd will, for the foreseeable future, sell a fuckton of shirts. If Utd buy Bale then Bale will easily sell those sorts of figures.


Yeah which is why I'm saying Utd wouldn't sell him for so cheap as they will need a price big enough in which they could sign 'star' that could replace Rooney commercial wise such as Bale. Wouldn't make sense to sell Rooney for £20m to buy Bale for £60m from a £££ standpoint.
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By AFC | Permalink | On 18 July 2013 - 23:11 PM
Yeah which is why I'm saying Utd wouldn't sell him for so cheap as they will need a price big enough in which they could sign 'star' that could replace Rooney commercial wise such as Bale. Wouldn't make sense to sell Rooney for £20m to buy Bale for £60m from a £££ standpoint.


No but Bale is also better and younger than Rooney (and on the up), so it makes sense from a footballing sense. But yeah, I agree with the fact that it doesn't money wise.
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Apparently some reporter for ESPN Brazil has claimed we've sealed a deal for Bernard from Atletico Mineiro. I'm hoping it's true but have a bad feeling that it's just Twitter bullshit at this point.
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There's got to be something going on with this Fabregas deal that we don't know.

Public statements from the player about him not wanting to leave and public statements from the club (eventually) now saying they won't sell, yet Woodward's back in Manchester and Moyes is apparently ringing journalists up at random to tell them that its to sort out Fabregas.
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Wenger came out the other day and said Fabregas is staying 1 more year at least and basically confirmed that Arsenal had that first refusal clause.

I honestly can't see Fabregas picking Utd over Arsenal if he was to leave Barca
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By Slashman X | Permalink | On 19 July 2013 - 11:02 AM
Wenger came out the other day and said Fabregas is staying 1 more year at least and basically confirmed that Arsenal had that first refusal clause.

I honestly can't see Fabregas picking Utd over Arsenal if he was to leave Barca


That's not quite what he said, but the jist is there.

I think what makes his comments interesting is that his 'give it a year' comments are basically the first public mention that Fabregas isn't that happy at Barca.

Also seems to indicate that Arsenal aren't going to do anything about it this year.
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Surely Arsenal can't afford to spend ~£30M on Fabregas and +£30M on a striker?

The assumption in some papers is that Barca need the money to bring in Thiago Silva/any CB after spending so much on Neymar.
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By Ninja | Permalink | On 19 July 2013 - 11:06 AM
That's not quite what he said, but the jist is there.

I think what makes his comments interesting is that his 'give it a year' comments are basically the first public mention that Fabregas isn't that happy at Barca.

Also seems to indicate that Arsenal aren't going to do anything about it this year.


I'd say the 'give it a year' is because Fabregas wants to see how much game time he's gonna get now that Thiago is gone and Xavi is on the way out.

If Fabregas says he wants to leave then Arsenal will be right on that
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By Dutton | Permalink | On 19 July 2013 - 11:09 AM
Surely Arsenal can't afford to spend ~£30M on Fabregas and +£30M on a striker?

The assumption in some papers is that Barca need the money to bring in Thiago Silva/any CB after spending so much on Neymar.


Fabregas behind the strikers could inject new life into Giroud + Walcott, so a striker might not be needed
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By Slashman X | Permalink | On 19 July 2013 - 11:19 AM
I'd say the 'give it a year' is because Fabregas wants to see how much game time he's gonna get now that Thiago is gone and Xavi is on the way out.

If Fabregas says he wants to leave then Arsenal will be right on that

Regardless, Fabregas' has said in public that he wouldn't leave for any reason, giving it a year to see how things turn out is a pretty big chasm from that.

And it's obviously hard to speculate, but I don't think that its beyond the realms of possibility for Arsenal to think they are (quite rightly) well stocked in midfield and would be better served going after a striker than a player that really wouldn't be that necessary for them (I mean obviously he'd improve them, just not by as much as a striker or a defender would) you've got to factor in the wages as well, and it seems more luxury than necessity and I'm not sure Wenger will go after that.

By Slashman X | Permalink | On 19 July 2013 - 11:20 AM
Fabregas behind the strikers could inject new life into Giroud + Walcott, so a striker might not be needed


Nah he's had 2 years of playing there, and it obvious he's much better where he was playing at Arsenal.
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Wenger would do anything he can to bring Fabregas back to Arsenal, no way he will let him go to United and I don't think Fabregas would pick United over us anyway. Wenger's comments indicate he knows the situation there and Fabregas will make his decision next year on whether he wants to leave.

Money is not issue, accounts show we have £100m fund for transfers as well as the fact we are slowly moving towards a better wage structure in which we will pay the best players top money rather than everyone roughly the same amount.

Technically we don't need another creative midfielder and can make-do with what we have but Fabregas is in a different league to anyone we have and if he's available I reckon we'd be in for him. Would be easy to sell Cazorla for a good price too.
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By Dutton | Permalink | On 19 July 2013 - 11:51 AM
I absolutely hate it when people make sweeping statements like this, you have absolutely no guarantee of that. I don't think we will get Fabregas or that he will even leave Barca but when people say things as if they are a certainty and as if they are an inside man on a transfer almost no one knows anything about it does my head in.


I took that out after reading my post once I posted it for the same reason
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I highly doubt Fabregas would join United but you never know.

Never thought Peter Schmeichel or Andy Cole would play for City so anything can happen I guess.
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By AFC | Permalink | On 19 July 2013 - 11:52 AM
I took that out after reading my post once I posted it for the same reason


Ah fair enough
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Fabregas to Man Utd
Higuain to Arsenal
Rooney to Chelsea
Bale possibly to Man Utd is Rooney goes

Will go all the way to deadline day bar Higuain, before being completed imo.
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I actually think Fabregas will conclude quickly one way or another, our insistence on playing this out in public will mean we'll probably know if talks break down.

Rooney to Chelsea has all the hallmarks of a last day £50m desperation bid.

Any one seen Howard Nurse's tweets about the Fabregas thing?

God knows why the BBC employ him, you could sack him and replace him with a robot that just tweets 'I don't know anything' over and over.
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Reports indicate we're in talks to sign Gomis from Lyon.

Knowing the way we shambolically do our business he'll probably be playing for Aston Villa.

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