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https://sortitoutsi.net/uploads/mirrored_images/ODzpvSYmvTyup7hjFJbixTKj4lE5vN77LpjIuDD8.png

Haven't finished the book yet, still have about 25 days left to until it will actually be done. But I felt it was prudent, just to take my mind of writing the story, to prep myself for eventually shopping the book to agents. Initially trying to distil the story down was kind of hard, but I think I've done a good job of putting my hands on what makes the story interesting.

Anyway, if anyone can be bothered I'd appreciate some feedback.
JCash3000
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hardly interesting story. sounds like the usual teenager stuff, nothing innovative and therefore unmarketable.
this exposé is far too short also.
The exposé should be a short but complete resumé of the plot and the characters. no cliffhangers or shit like that.
maybe you can add a comparison to works from other authors.
I dont think any agent/publisher will buy this in this form unless you change it and put in something unique (maybe you already got something unique in it, correct me if im wrong, but it doesnt show in your exposé and thats what the agent reads).


Or maybe you could call your book "JCash3000 is the ultimate faggot." to push sales
Good luck though

Some tips that may be helpful:
its never a good idea to blindly send scripts to publishers or their agents.
find the right publisher which corresponds/suits to your book/story (pretty obvious i guess but nevertheless).
Its common to contact the agent/publisher first (phone/email) and check if he is interested.
If he is, you will be asked to send some 20 pages of your scipt as a probe and an exposé of about 3 pages (and a CV maybe also).
If they like it you will be asked to send the whole manuscript.
Then they will decide.
Note: Agents dont like it if you just send them scripts. They will throw them in the bin at once.
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Or maybe you could call your book "JCash3000 is the ultimate faggot." to push sales


YES
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Definitely need to change the title, some people will be very put off by it instantly and I doubt any credible publisher will release a book called that.
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Men aged 18-35 don't really read books. If there is one fundamental issue with what you've written, that's going to be it.
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By Franck | Permalink | On 23 April 2013 - 14:54 PM
Men aged 18-35 don't really read books. If there is one fundamental issue with what you've written, that's going to be it.


Course they do.
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By Zog | Permalink | On 23 April 2013 - 14:12 PM
Definitely need to change the title, some people will be very put off by it instantly and I doubt any credible publisher will release a book called that.


as a first time author you have very little influence on the title of the book anyway. If they dont like it they change it. Its not that it is your decision.
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By King Luis | Permalink | On 23 April 2013 - 15:17 PM
Course they do.

Sure, many do, but in comparison to other demographic groups young men are the worst readers you can find.
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By Franck | Permalink | On 23 April 2013 - 16:05 PM
Sure, many do, but in comparison to other demographic groups young men are the worst readers you can find.


I think Mike Gayle, Tony Parsons, Christopher Brookmyre, Nick Hornby, Alex Garland, Ian M Banks, etc would all argue that they've made a very good living from that market
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Diary of a Functioning Retard is a terrible name, maybe change it to something else?
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Failing all of this, couldnt you self publish on Amazon as an e-book?
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By JCash3000 | Permalink | On 23 April 2013 - 09:52 AM
hardly interesting story. sounds like the usual teenager stuff, nothing innovative and therefore unmarketable.
this exposé is far too short also.
The exposé should be a short but complete resumé of the plot and the characters. no cliffhangers or shit like that.
maybe you can add a comparison to works from other authors.
I dont think any agent/publisher will buy this in this form unless you change it and put in something unique (maybe you already got something unique in it, correct me if im wrong, but it doesnt show in your exposé and thats what the agent reads).


Or maybe you could call your book "JCash3000 is the ultimate faggot." to push sales
Good luck though

Some tips that may be helpful:
its never a good idea to blindly send scripts to publishers or their agents.
find the right publisher which corresponds/suits to your book/story (pretty obvious i guess but nevertheless).
Its common to contact the agent/publisher first (phone/email) and check if he is interested.
If he is, you will be asked to send some 20 pages of your scipt as a probe and an exposé of about 3 pages (and a CV maybe also).
If they like it you will be asked to send the whole manuscript.
Then they will decide.
Note: Agents dont like it if you just send them scripts. They will throw them in the bin at once.

This query follows the exact standard that an agent expects:

Simple salutation
One sentence synopsis of the story
150-300 word outline of the stories contents and arc
Title, word count and genre
Short bio of the author with any relevant writing related background

http://agentquery.com/writer_hq.aspx

Agents expect to receive unsolicited queries and the first three chapters (or ten pages) of the novel. The aim of the query letter is to just give them a taste of what is to come. It, under no uncertain terms, should not be longer than a page. It should not be deprecating, jokey or insulting.

Never call the agent to confirm it's okay to send your query, they won't take your call.

And it's a total waste to send your query to a publisher, here's a photo of the slush pile of manuscripts that get sent to a publishing house. Good luck getting read within a year in this:

http://25.media.tumblr.com/a9f8e83ebffc45db8104e4096e18eda7/tumblr_mh9mvjnKP11qdc3szo1_500.jpg

As usual, JCash3000 is the ultimate faggot.

By Jaygull | Permalink | On 24 April 2013 - 12:50 PM
Diary of a Functioning Retard is a terrible name, maybe change it to something else?

I agree completely. Basically the only books with the word retard in them are French books, I've got a few ideas in my mind but I'm not fretting abut it right now until the thing is finished.

By ianbaker | Permalink | On 24 April 2013 - 13:13 PM
Failing all of this, couldnt you self publish on Amazon as an e-book?

I've thought up, what I think is, a good storyline for my second novel so the plan is to try and shop this one when it is complete, while writing the second. If the first doesn't sell, I'll try selling the second, and if that doesn't sell either the I will go down the self publishing route while writing a third book. The general rule of thumb with self publishing is to have at least three books so you can offer free days on one book in order to drive sales of the others. I've been doing a fair amount of reading up on it and it'll mean having to start a blog, be active on Twitter, Goodreads etc.
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What happened to your story about a WW2 pilot or whatever it was?
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By Fantastic | Permalink | On 24 April 2013 - 16:23 PM
This query follows the exact standard that an agent expects:

Simple salutation
One sentence synopsis of the story
150-300 word outline of the stories contents and arc
Title, word count and genre
Short bio of the author with any relevant writing related background

http://agentquery.com/writer_hq.aspx

Agents expect to receive unsolicited queries and the first three chapters (or ten pages) of the novel. The aim of the query letter is to just give them a taste of what is to come. It, under no uncertain terms, should not be longer than a page. It should not be deprecating, jokey or insulting.

Never call the agent to confirm it's okay to send your query, they won't take your call.

And it's a total waste to send your query to a publisher, here's a photo of the slush pile of manuscripts that get sent to a publishing house. Good luck getting read within a year in this:

http://25.media.tumblr.com/a9f8e83ebffc45db8104e4096e18eda7/tumblr_mh9mvjnKP11qdc3szo1_500.jpg

As usual, JCash3000 is the ultimate faggot.

I agree completely. Basically the only books with the word retard in them are French books, I've got a few ideas in my mind but I'm not fretting abut it right now until the thing is finished.

I've thought up, what I think is, a good storyline for my second novel so the plan is to try and shop this one when it is complete, while writing the second. If the first doesn't sell, I'll try selling the second, and if that doesn't sell either the I will go down the self publishing route while writing a third book. The general rule of thumb with self publishing is to have at least three books so you can offer free days on one book in order to drive sales of the others. I've been doing a fair amount of reading up on it and it'll mean having to start a blog, be active on Twitter, Goodreads etc.


I am sorry Fantastic, but i didnt want to school you at all (sorry if you had the impression), I just wanted to help you a bit here with being honest and give you a bit of advice because I am working in the book selling business, though maybe in germany it works a bit differently than in the UK which I cant really tell.
And of course you have any right to not believe me and oppose that and just dismiss what I wrote.
And of course its up to you to take any advice or not.
But still I sincerely hope you will find a publisher and wish you the best of luck with your project
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By Rick87 | Permalink | On 24 April 2013 - 19:38 PM
What happened to your story about a WW2 pilot or whatever it was?

It's still and idea that exists in my notebook. One thing at a time.
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By JCash3000 | Permalink | On 23 April 2013 - 15:43 PM


as a first time author you have very little influence on the title of the book anyway. If they dont like it they change it. Its not that it is your decision.


Yeah I realise this.

But I can imagine a lot of publishing houses wouldn't even consider it if they got an email about a book with that title.
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Most just self publish now anyhow. Either way I am buying a copy due to it being from a community member
Fantastic
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Finally finished changing the tense from past to present today, took me about fifteen hours to read it all through and change it as I was going along. It's the first time I've had the opportunity to read it all the way through. There's tons I want to change, which is great news, stuff I want to add, stuff I want to take out. I think my target of 20 or so more days to have all the text done is perfectly fine, but I might need a week or two after that to get the edits done, depending on how much I allow myself.

After that I'm going to give out draft copies to anyone who is happy to give me some feedback on the boo. Not necessarily page by page notes, but at least something that allows me to go into the second editing process with some idea of what readers do and don't like.
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Write a book about Indians vs Vikings.

That's probably the next bandwagon when zombies/Game of Thrones fizzle out.
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By Shola | Permalink | On 25 April 2013 - 20:22 PM
Write a book about Indians vs Vikings.

That's probably the next bandwagon when zombies/Game of Thrones fizzle out.

There's actually a historical basis for a story like that
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Vampires => Zombies =>??

I reckon it's going to be aliens next.

Story of a 17 year old boy who stumbles across a crashed spacechip and has his DNA infused with the millenia old genetic code of the dying spaceship pilot, making him the only person who can carry on the ancient bloodline that will prevent the destruction of the galaxy.

\Something like that.
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By Fantastic | Permalink | On 25 April 2013 - 20:53 PM
Vampires => Zombies =>??

I reckon it's going to be aliens next.

Story of a 17 year old boy who stumbles across a crashed spacechip and has his DNA infused with the millenia old genetic code of the dying spaceship pilot, making him the only person who can carry on the ancient bloodline that will prevent the destruction of the galaxy.

\Something like that.

Sounds fairly similar to Taken.
Fantastic
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Poor Man's Icarus

How does that sound for a title?
JCash3000
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http://www.goingfaster.com/icarus/poorman.htm
too obvious, too trivial.
think of something more subtle maybe or something extremely cryptic.
Fantastic
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Okay, so you googled the name and it came up with one result and that makes it obvious and trivial because one other person has used those three words in the same order before.

Go on, explain why it's obvious and trivial.

And I'll just say outright, there's no way it needs to be cryptic, it's not a mystery book.
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Yes, you're right. Cryptic titles are always the best.

How is Poor Man's Icarus any more obvious than The Old Man and The Sea or Crime and Punishment?
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It's funny, because I actually wrote about what goes into a good title last week:

http://themaxevans.wordpress.com/2013/04/25/a-good-title-is-like-a-good-handjob/
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I've always found titles to be near impossible. They're supposed to flow out naturally from your story, but they never do.

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