English Premier League 2012/2013

You're all idiots.

Except that we established at the start of this argument that Always the Victims doesn't fit.

I can't see how you can't understand why we would want to point out that a song very commonly heard at Old Trafford is not about Hillsborough. no ones said that it's not badly timed, no ones said that it's ridiculous to interpret it that way all that's being said is that the offense that Liverpool fans are taking from the song is misplaced.

IF I'M BEING AWKWARD THEN SO ARE YOU FOR CONSISTENTLY IGNORING THIS POINT.

You're contradicting yourself. You agree that you could interpret that song as having references to Hillsborough and that singing that song on that day was bad? THAT IS THE ENTIRE POINT.

It's not a contradiction in the slightest.

I'm saying you could do it, I could see why you'd do it. But you're wrong to do it.

You can interpret it however you want, it doesn't stop that interpretation being wrong.

Nah it clearly is a reference to the self pity City myth and the perceived victim mentality that Liverpool fans have. It's clearly a reference to conspiracy theories, Rafa's facts and yes at it's grubbier ends of that reputation Heysel and, formerly Hillsborough admittedly.

Right, this is my last post on this because if you don't agree with me then you're clearly being deliberately stubborn and obtuse.

You are telling me there is absolutely no way somebody can be offended by what was sung? You're saying there is categorically no way that somebody can attribute that song to being as about Hillsborough? Absolute zero way you could interpret it that way? Because if you can then the interpretation is not wrong, and being offended by it isn't wrong. You even say it here:

I'm saying it's not explicitly a reference to Hillsborough and to be offended by it because you think it is is understandable initially but after being told about 674 times what it actually references still being offended because of the original misinterpretation is stupid.

Shouldn't have been sung - end of - because it could be interpreted wrongly. My problem is the media/Liverpool fans going with the line "United fans sing about Hillsborough", which inaccurately gives the impression that every United fan there that day was mocking the people that died.

Seriously? Do you really think that the group of United fans chanting about Liverpool fans always painting themselves as victims, on that particular day, had no idea how that would come across? Even if those chants stem from elsewhere, singing them at Anfield on that day was grossly inappropriate because it is frighteningly obvious how those chants could be interpreted. The fans who chanted that would have known that, anyone who heard that would have known that, and even you know that - unless you really are this tribalistic and ignorant, and truly believe that those chants were acceptable because they don't directly reference Hillsborough. Pathetic.

Well it's always going to be a circular argument when neither side is going to budge from their position, I don't see how inanely posting gifs is going to help that.

Always a boring argument when Liverpool is involved.

Always a boring post when Zog is involved.

Sorry, I'm cranky today

I'll get over it.

I had no idea what they were arguing about tbh, just had a quick glance at Ninja's long angry post and decided this wasn't for me.

Yeah we do seem to have a habit of getting into horribly petty arguments that end up a mile away from where it started. Especially me and Ninja

I blame jumberto. He's the bad egg.

Yeah we do seem to have a habit of getting into horribly petty arguments that end up a mile away from where it started. Especially me and Ninja

I blame jumberto. He's the bad egg.