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Zog
17 years ago
5 years ago
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I don't care at this point.

I'd even be delighted with Gourcuff who we're being linked with again. Bringing back Flamini on a one-month contract would make my day. It's gotten to that point now. If we bring in 4-5 players I'll be fucking ecstatic even if they all turn out to be dogshit.


You should also not listen to Ninja either, who clearly has no clue about the player.

Not saying I do either, but I'll at least wait until I see him properly before I do.
Franck
17 years ago
4 weeks ago
4,255
A fit, healthy Gourcuff being played in his natural role would be a great signing for Arsenal.
Deano
17 years ago
2 months ago
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http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/everton-fc-exclusive-blues-angrily-5749316

Cheeky fucking cunt if this is true..

Blues angrily reject joint £28m Man Utd bid for Fellaini and Baines

Everton FC have been left outraged after Manchester United made a farcical £16m bid for Marouane Fellaini – a fortnight after his £23.5m buy-out clause expired.

Goodison chiefs were rocked by the derisory offer for their Belgium international midfielder, and further incensed when Old Trafford officials also tried to include Leighton Baines in the package for a further £12m.

The shocking £28m approach by former boss David Moyes ’ new club, believed to have been designed to unsettle Everton’s prized duo, was swiftly and angrily rejected.

But United’s offer, which was made by chief executive Ed Woodward only 48 hours before the start of the new Premier League season, is understood to have left considerable bad feeling on Merseyside – especially given that Fellaini's true market value is widely considered to be in excess of the £23.5m clause in his contract which expired on July 31.

Last week Everton boss Roberto Martinez told the ECHO that United’s first bid for Baines in June, also for £12m, was described as a final offer by the Red Devils, and this latest attempt to land the England international on the cheap would appear to contradict that stance from the reigning champions.

As Everton manager in 2008, Moyes paid Standard Liege an initial £15m for Fellaini – a sum which eventually rose to around £17.5m in additional payments.

Staggeringly, United’s approach last week would suggest they believe Fellaini’s value has decreased since then; despite the midfielder making 174 appearances over his five seasons at Everton so far, scoring 32 goals, and becoming an established part of the renowned Belgian national side.

Moyes has turned his interests to Fellaini after repeatedly failing in his protracted efforts to prize Cesc Fabreags from Barcelona.

So far he has only added young Uruguayan full-back Guillermo Varela to his squad, and is under pressure to show his mettle in the transfer market before the September 2 deadline.
Sam
17 years ago
1 year ago
5,092
Amateur stuff. Why didn't we just bid for Felliani a couple weeks ago? Fabregas clearly wasn't going to leave Barca yet we continued to persist with bids whilst being so public about it.

Now we've embarrassed ourselves with a terrible bid for Everton's two best players for nearly £15M less than we were prepared to spend on Cesc.

Our transfer window continues to be farcical.
Eric Portapotty
15 years ago
2 days ago
3,323
At least you guys can still afford to make a fool of yourselves in the transfer market...
Sam
17 years ago
1 year ago
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We've gone all over the world and ended up at Merseyside for a signing this summer.

Still no idea where Woodward went after our tour in Australia.
Deano
17 years ago
2 months ago
1,380
I think David Moyes needs reminding of his reaction towards Man City when they pursuited Lescott. Glass Houses, etc.
K3V0
16 years ago
1 year ago
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To be honest I doubt that shit's true.
Ninja
14 years ago
7 years ago
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First things first, and I can't believe this needs to be said, in a negotiation the buyer offers low and the seller asks high. You then haggle until you reach a fee both parties are happy with. That's all a £16m bid really is, a statement of intent to purchase.

On the broader point, if Everton's value of Fellaini is so high that a £16m is considered derisory then this pursuit has a logical conclusion, sack any interest in signing Fellaini off. We should not even entertain any thought of exceding his £23.5m release clause of two weeks ago and, honestly, I'd be dissapointed if we paid much more than £20m for him, a mere £4m more than this offer.

Finally, Moyes has nothing to do with this. So any comparison to City's pursuit of Lescott is pointless, he simply would say to Woodward that he wanted Fellaini and then it is up to him.

Oh and Baines is a waste of money, the improvement to the team he'd make is miniscule.
Telegram Sam
15 years ago
11 hours ago
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£28m for both is derisory. If I were Everton I wouldn't even consider a bid for the pair of them unless it was £40m or above (£25m for Fellaini, £15m for Baines).
tmatthew
17 years ago
5 months ago
771
Over £40 million?

Christ
Ninja
14 years ago
7 years ago
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£28m for both is derisory. If I were Everton I wouldn't even consider a bid for the pair of them unless it was £40m or above (£25m for Fellaini, £15m for Baines).


Fellaini had a £24m release clause for most of the summer, and no one paid it. That should tell you how highly everyone values him, not just us.

Everton are complately within their right to demand whatever they want, but that doesn't mean we should pay it nor that he's worth it.

Honestly, I think Everton want between £20 and £25m so that they can replace him with McCarthy for a small profit. Baines I really don't care whether we sign or not, the biggest improvement he'd make to the team is freeing up RVP from taking freekicks so he can get on the end of them.

We'll deal around £35m I would imagine, anything more and there's better options there.
Fantastic
13 years ago
1 month ago
2,496
Banned
People do need a constant reminder that managers aren't the ones who go about making bids for players and handling negotiations.
Sam
17 years ago
1 year ago
5,092
Everton can confirm that it has received bids from Manchester United for two players. Those bids were immediately rejected out of hand as derisory and insulting.

The Club did not make public these details as it was vital Roberto Martinez’s preparations for the opening game of the Premier League season were not disrupted in anyway.
Ninja
14 years ago
7 years ago
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If we're truly as far off their valuation as them leaking stories to the media and that statement suggest we should move on ASAP, not even worth induldging them.
Number 1
16 years ago
11 months ago
3,650
In any case it was a legit bid as Everton officials have called the offer "derisory".

Whoever at Man U was handling the negotiations is a bit dim - there's no way the expiration of Fellaini's £23.5M would mean Everton would suddenly lower his valuation, while the rejected £12M bid for Baines also means Everton would want a wee bit more cash for their troubles.
Slashman X
17 years ago
5 months ago
6,000
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Over £40 million?

Christ


What's wrong with that? Everton are well within their rights to reject everything below £40m
tmatthew
17 years ago
5 months ago
771
They can reject whatever they like, but if we actually offered £40m it'd be a ridiculous move.
Ninja
14 years ago
7 years ago
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What's wrong with that? Everton are well within their rights to reject everything below £40m

I think it's pretty obvious Everton would be within their rights, but that doesn't mean Fellaini and Baines should cost more than £40m nor that we should pay it.

The suggestion that a player who didn't interest clubs at £24m is now suddenly worth more than that is the most odd.
Number 1
16 years ago
11 months ago
3,650
Sky are saying Arsenal bid for Cabaye.

It'd be annoying if we sold him but frankly, until its said bid accepted, I'd be surprised. Besides, he's the wrong midfielder for Arsenal - they need a defensive midfielder rather than a playmaker. They can have Tiote.
Slashman X
17 years ago
5 months ago
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I think it's pretty obvious Everton would be within their rights, but that doesn't mean Fellaini and Baines should cost more than £40m nor that we should pay it.

The suggestion that a player who didn't interest clubs at £24m is now suddenly worth more than that is the most odd.


That's Utd's problem then, not Everton's.
Ninja
14 years ago
7 years ago
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I guess Arsenal are at the point where anyone is better than nobody, but I'd be as annoyed by Wenger bidding for players in posistions they don't really need as I would him not buying any body.
Ninja
14 years ago
7 years ago
5,341
That's Utd's problem then, not Everton's.


It's hardly a problem for either party, there's other players than Fellaini in the world. If Everton want to sell and value him in line with what we do then we'll do a deal, if we don't then we won't but the accusations of incompetence would be true if we paid a penny over his old release clause, which is why I'm sure we won't.
Eric Portapotty
15 years ago
2 days ago
3,323
https://sortitoutsi.net/uploads/mirrored_images/xmmYUsJ69YOBOOsSy7P3fWX79eo5WUpyJEM4d13U.gif

I guess Arsenal are at the point where anyone is better than nobody, but I'd be as annoyed by Wenger bidding for players in positions they don't really need as I would him not buying any body.

We aren't exactly well stocked in central midfield, quality-wise.

Anyway I hope that this is the start of something more.
Number 1
16 years ago
11 months ago
3,650
We aren't exactly well stocked in central midfield, quality-wise.

Anyway I hope that this is the start of something more.

Given the bid has already been rejected as "derisory" by the Toon - apparently you bid £10-12, which is about half what we value him at - its probably not.
Ninja
14 years ago
7 years ago
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We aren't exactly well stocked in central midfield, quality-wise.

Anyway I hope that this is the start of something more.


Yes, but that's more a dearth of players in the defensive mould than a Cabaye player.

Sky sports are saying that you've enquired about Kongonbiaiibiiai now, though, which seems more sensible.
Shola
16 years ago
5 years ago
2,708
I thought Kondogbia was already meant to be practically signed for Monaco?

Regarding Gourcuff, I saw a Ligue 1 journalist talking about the Gourcuff/Gervinho swap saying that both sides would view it as a good deal. As both had good reputations but had been poor for ages. Although Gourcuff has apparently had a good start to the season.
Slashman X
17 years ago
5 months ago
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I thought Kondogbia was already meant to be practically signed for Monaco?

Regarding Gourcuff, I saw a Ligue 1 journalist talking about the Gourcuff/Gervinho swap saying that both sides would view it as a good deal. As both had good reputations but had been poor for ages. Although Gourcuff has apparently had a good start to the season.


You could say that:

https://sortitoutsi.net/uploads/mirrored_images/qmXZjTMqKLBWEeAOlQlYQybdOtII9HYIPAwVdL73.gif
Telegram Sam
15 years ago
11 hours ago
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I think £40m is a perfectly sensible fee for the pair of them considering Everton don't need to sell. Baines was the best left-back in the Premier League last season and considering that he's English £15m seems like a fair deal. Fellaini cost Everton £15m and it's reasonable to expect them to want a £10m profit given how good he's been for them, especially last season.

With regards to Arsenal's bid for Cabaye, he's a player I really admire and would love to see us get even if he's not the answer to our problems. Cabaye + Kondogbia/ Bender would be brilliant, along with a striker, centre-half, a winger and a goalkeeper. We need at least five players, really, if we're going to compete this season.
Shola
16 years ago
5 years ago
2,708
Compete for what? Top 4 or title?

I've heard Grenier turned down Arsenal, and Kondogbia is third party owned, so there might not be enough time for that deal. Romain Amilifitano may be available though.

Although Arda Turan's agent has just said he expects an English club will meet his release clause.

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