Jamieandhisego
17 years ago
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Hope he starts and we put ten past them. Fucking useless cunt, I have no idea how he managed to make any appearances for United.
Ninja
14 years ago
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He's not actually wrong though.

A big feature of us this season has been our ability to concede whenever, wherever and regardless of how well we're playing.

Anyway, I'd take a draw tonight. Just go there, shut up shop and attempt to win the game 1 or 2 nil. Nothing fancy, just a solid away Champions Leauge performance.
Jamieandhisego
17 years ago
1 year ago
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He's not actually wrong though.

A big feature of us this season has been our ability to concede whenever, wherever and regardless of how well we're playing.

Anyway, I'd take a draw tonight. Just go there, shut up shop and attempt to win the game 1 or 2 nil. Nothing fancy, just a solid away Champions Leauge performance.


I know he's right, that's why I'm lashing out!
Ninja
14 years ago
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On Dutch TV:


Interview: Do you know what is wrong with this United?

RvP: Yeah but, I won't point fingers, because im not like that.
Sam
17 years ago
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Is that quote actually real?
Ninja
14 years ago
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Is that quote actually real?


Not 100% posted in redcafe via the noobs. Here's the full transcript:

or those who are dutch, RvP is interviewed atm at NOS.

For the english lads,

Robin said he was unhappy with the game, we played bad but they didn't create much either. The chance I had went pretty good but the shot was to hasty and if you only get one chance in a match like this...you need to score it.

But now it gets interesting. Jack van Gelder (interviewer) asked if Robin feels frustrated to be isolated all the time and because of that feels the urge to drop back.

This is RvP's reply: I do, because certain team mates keep playing in my area and constantly moving to me which makes it extremely hard for me to also play there. I now constantly have to make a run to a different position to avoid this.

Interview: Do you know what is wrong with this United?

RvP: Yeah but, I won't point fingers, because im not like that.

This is the video, if I had the text of it Dutch is similar enough to German that I could have a reasonable stab at translating. http://nos.nl/video/616277-van-persie-gelooft-nog-in-kwartfinale.html
Sam
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Hmm, interesting.

I can't really put things about tonight into a coherent sentence.

Just, horrible. Clueless, unimaginative, a new low. I can't recall a performance that bad, that devoid of character. The mood definitely shifted tonight, most fans I know have turned against Moyes and want him out, even before the season is over. I'm trying to stay supportive of him, but tonight, just, no.

Why does he continue to play out of form players? What did Tony and Cleverley do to warrant starting tonight? Why, when 2-0 down, did we put our £300k p/w striker in the fucking midfield? Why, after making such positive changes this weekend, did we revert back to mediocrity?

We won three of our previous ten games and Moyes said we came into this game in good form. I mean, what the fuck is he on about? Tonight we lost the minute we got onto the pitch.

He and this squad are out of their depth. We need a three goal margin to overturn this deficit, we've only done that once at home this season.
Ninja
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jamie jackson
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On Januzaj Moyes said he'd decided to play Cleverley so left him out...


AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
K3V0
15 years ago
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Tonight was a new low. Honestly feel as if Moyes has no clue what he's doing. Even if you said our squad is bad or poor it should still be good enough to beat a side like Olympiakos, instead we're practically out of Europe now unless a miracle takes place.
Telegram Sam
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The decision to not include Januzaj at all is baffling. He's played less since Mata came in, which is fair enough, so surely he'd be a great option to use when Mata is cup-tied? At least put him on the bench.

Do you all reckon Moyes will be here next season or will the board give him more time?
K3V0
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I feel he'll be gone if we don't turn this around against Olympiakos in the second leg.
Eric Portapotty
14 years ago
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RvP: Yeah but, I won't point fingers, because im not like that.


Yeah just like how he didn't point fingers at Messrs Wenger and Gazidis.

I'm enjoying this, really.
Eric Portapotty
14 years ago
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Oh and calling it now, Van Gaal to United by the end of next season - United's still probably a more attractive proposition than Spurs.
Flash.
17 years ago
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Would love to see Klopp at Utd next season.

Very good tactically and with some money behind him he could do well.
Telegram Sam
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I can't see Klopp abandoning Dortmund.

Besides, he's ours in 2017.
Sam
17 years ago
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I love that RVP said 'I won't point fingers' after he pointed fingers.

I do feel for him that he came to United and was given a vision by Fergie, then Fergie retired. But still, no need for his comments last night.

Moyes won't go before the summer at least, I can't see it, to be honest I see him staying at least another season. Last night was helpless, desperate football, I'm not expecting brilliance straight away after Fergie leaving, but this is just horrible. We're getting worse.
Ninja
14 years ago
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Since the turn of the year if you extrapolate out our results over the course of the season we would take 34.9 points.

Moyes has actually, without hyperbole, got a title winning team performing like relegation candidates.

The decision to not include Januzaj at all is baffling. He's played less since Mata came in, which is fair enough, so surely he'd be a great option to use when Mata is cup-tied? At least put him on the bench.

Do you all reckon Moyes will be here next season or will the board give him more time?


He'll be here, probably.

I just hope he doesn't do irrevocable damage in the transfer window. I don't trust him not to fuck it up anymore.
Croy
13 years ago
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Not that I mind you keeping Moyes, but you'd be best getting rid of him. The longer he stays, the more time it will take to repair the damages. Ok, it was expected that there will be a decline of some sorts, but not like this, not with a manager which is utterly clueless.

Look at Rodgers, we were/are patient with him, he did ok last season and even if we finished 7th it was clear that things were moving in the right direction and continue to do just that. There is no indication of sorts with Moyes other that he will sink United in a deep deep hole!
Telegram Sam
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The thing with van Persie is that he left Arsenal to join Manchester United so he could win more trophies, so now that United aren't in a position for success and probably won't be in Europe next season I can't imagine him being particularly keen on sticking around. He's a mercenary and has no loyalty to United, even if they're paying him £250k p/w. I wouldn't be surprised to see him push for a move in the summer if Moyes is still around.
Ninja
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The thing with van Persie is that he left Arsenal to join Manchester United so he could win more trophies, so now that United aren't in a position for success and probably won't be in Europe next season I can't imagine him being particularly keen on sticking around. He's a mercenary and has no loyalty to United, even if they're paying him £250k p/w. I wouldn't be surprised to see him push for a move in the summer if Moyes is still around.


Well no.

If he was a 'mercenary' he'd have joined City for the extra money that he was offered.

But yes, he joined because Ferguson told him he was staying and he wanted to win things. Ferguson, by his own admission, misled him.
Poe
17 years ago
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I love how Moyes has turned from a well-respected manager who "done a great job" with Everton to someone who is clueless in the space of 6-7 month.
Ninja
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I love how Moyes has turned from a well-respected manager who "done a great job" with Everton to someone who is clueless in the space of 6-7 month.


He's just out of his depth.
Slashman X
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Also with the job Martinez is doing at Everton now, it could be said he underachieved there Maybe not in terms of league position etc but in terms of the fact that it's now evident that he wasn't just "dealing with what he's got", he played the way he played on purpose
Jamieandhisego
17 years ago
1 year ago
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It's a weird one because Sam Allardyce, Tony Pulis and Steve McClaren could all argue to have stronger CVs than David Moyes. None of those managers would be considered even remotely good enough to manage United.
Croy
13 years ago
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I actually think that Fergie choosed Moyes to show everybody how shit United will be without him
Telegram Sam
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Well no.

If he was a 'mercenary' he'd have joined City for the extra money that he was offered.

But yes, he joined because Ferguson told him he was staying and he wanted to win things. Ferguson, by his own admission, misled him.

I did say that he moved to win trophies, not money, but my point was that he's not a loyal individual - if he can't get success at United he'll make a fuss and I won't be in the slightest bit surprised if he tries to force a move if Moyes stays. Ferguson fucked him over but I can't imagine him being exactly committed to Moyes.
tmatthew
17 years ago
4 months ago
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I fail to see how Fergie fucked him over?

He's said he made the decision to retire around Christmas time and one of the key reasons was because his wife's sister had died.

Was he supposed to assume that would happen?
Shola
15 years ago
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Also with the job Martinez is doing at Everton now, it could be said he underachieved there Maybe not in terms of league position etc but in terms of the fact that it's now evident that he wasn't just "dealing with what he's got", he played the way he played on purpose


To be fair to Moyes, the club continuing to do well reflects well on Moyes. And besides Martinez is still only likely to finish 6th or 7th. It's not like Everton have won the league this season.

It's a weird one because Sam Allardyce, Tony Pulis and Steve McClaren could all argue to have stronger CVs than David Moyes. None of those managers would be considered even remotely good enough to manage United.


No they don't. Not even close.
tmatthew
17 years ago
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As shit as it is, we've had that policy for about five years. I don't see how its suddenly a story.

Although I thought you were automatically charged for cup games, rather than having to actively buy tickets yourself.

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