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#777554 USA 10 Tier Database and Concacaf Expanded Universe - FM 24 Version
Chris Nielson
Yeah - SI broke the homegrown rules in custom databases in the last update - the bug thread is here: https://community.sigames.com/bugtracker/football-manager-2024-early-access-bugs-tracker/all-other-issues/all-players-lost-their-homegrown-status-r22164/. It should be fixed in the next update, but until then there is a version without homegrown rules in the thread above.
#776479 USA 10 Tier Database and Concacaf Expanded Universe - FM 24 Version
Chris Nielson
Yes. The clubs are the same as we have in real life, but they are split geographically and in different divisions (and obviously it has pro/rel, which the United States doesn't utilize in real life.) If you're looking for a realistic database I'd point you to @themodelcitizen's to level 4 US db: https://sortitoutsi.net/content/64052/fm24-usa-to-d3-with-mls-next?page=2#comment_769366
#776371 USA 10 Tier Database and Concacaf Expanded Universe - FM 24 Version
Chris Nielson
That's a clever workaround Bret. If SI doesn't post a hotfix by the next iteration I'll probably implement that.
Also, I'm attaching the kits I used in game that I think worked - let me know if this fixes your problem.
#776370 USA 10 Tier Database and Concacaf Expanded Universe - FM 24 Version
Chris Nielson
Hey Jameson! I think that has to do with club reputation. I've found in my saves that the lower level US teams get 12 mo contracts to start, but that by the time I make it to the top tier I can get 3 year contracts. I think that's the issue there, and once you start a save you can't adjust the team reputations. Glad you're finding it fun though - what is your home country?
#776153 USA 10 Tier Database and Concacaf Expanded Universe - FM 24 Version
Chris Nielson
HI everyone - quick 24.3 related update. It appears that there is a bug that has wiped out homegrown at nation and club data in custom databases. I remade the US, Mexican, and Canadian dbs and removed the homegrown eligibilities. You can find them below:
#776061 USA 10 Tier Database and Concacaf Expanded Universe - FM 24 Version
Chris Nielson
Also, a quick note (as I just loaded up my save from 24.1) - it looks like there is a bug in the newest data update that wipes out homegrown statuses of players in long term saves. You can post your experience in this thread to help highlight the issue for SI: https://community.sigames.com/bugtracker/football-manager-2024-early-access-bugs-tracker/all-other-issues/all-players-lost-their-homegrown-status-r22164/.
#776021 USA 10 Tier Database and Concacaf Expanded Universe - FM 24 Version
Chris Nielson
Hi Azreal! First question - I forgot to turn off the mirror for the original version of the databases. The one that is still active is verified for 23.3. And as far as the second goes, no, there isn't a real difference - they provide kits for each of the teams in game. My file also has the templates and sponsors I use, so if you want to use kitbasher to make your own kits you can do that. Otherwise we have some different kits (the kitbasher app lets you produce kits from 1000+ templates. We both ran it independently, so while the teams have similar colors they may have different kit options.)
#775960 USA 10 Tier Database and Concacaf Expanded Universe - FM 24 Version
Chris Nielson
Hi Everyone! I wanted to let you know that the files have been updated for 24.3, including the kits and the logos. There have also been several changes from the initial version, including setting up Reserve and U19 leagues for the US database, adding in some missing teams (Antelope Valley FC and Spokane, most specifically), and making some tweaks to the schedule to ease some of the congestion in July. I also switched the CONCACAF club competition schedule a bit - the group stages happen in the summer, and the knockouts in the fall, so that teams that qualify for the competitions do get to play in the following year. I've done some light testing, so I think it should be stable and ready to go!
#775743 USA 10 Tier Database and Concacaf Expanded Universe - FM 24 Version
Chris Nielson
Quick note for those following along - I finished an update that addresses a few of the above issues (like the youth set-up and an issue with Central American teams not getting into the proper round in the club competitions) and some other quality of life issues, including kits and stadiums for all of the US teams and adding in Spokane and Antelope Valley. Since we're close to the winter update I'm going to hold off on releasing it until after that drops. Thanks all!
#775024 USA 10 Tier Database and Concacaf Expanded Universe - FM 24 Version
Chris Nielson
Hi Bret! I tried to do a simpler version of the youth leagues that didn't work this year. I probably need to do a more extensive build on the youth leagues in the editor - I'll work on that for V2.
#775023 USA 10 Tier Database and Concacaf Expanded Universe - FM 24 Version
Chris Nielson
Yes! I realized there were some oversights (including Spokane and Antelope Valley) that will be added in the next version. Usually there's a big database release from SI in March, so I'm aiming to have that update (with a few quality of life improvements) ready by then.
#773480 USA 10 Tier Database and Concacaf Expanded Universe - FM 24 Version
Chris Nielson
Hi DonJohn - usually when a kit doesn't show up in game, its either because there is an error with the id, or the team doesn't have a kit in game. You need to use the pre-game editor to add the kits for the missing teams if the id is correct.
ALSO - I am in the midst of making a few quality of life adjustments, and am kitbashing my way through the game as a part of that process. I'll send you a PM and we can discuss more how to tackle this.
#771965 USA 10 Tier Database and Concacaf Expanded Universe - FM 24 Version
Chris Nielson
you need to create a graphics folder in the (in windows) documents/sports interactive/football manager 2024/ file directory. You can then place the logos and kits in there and it will show up in game.
#770890 USA 10 Tier Database and Concacaf Expanded Universe - FM 24 Version
Chris Nielson
Enjoy GhostyBear! You'll have to let me know what you think about the changes.
#770889 USA 10 Tier Database and Concacaf Expanded Universe - FM 24 Version
Chris Nielson
I believe you have to use the the US file with the club competitions file because of the changes I made to the US League structure. I didn't make changes to Canada or Mexico this year, so I think (in theory) you could use the vanilla version of those leagues with club competitions if you want to try to compete in those leagues. I hope you enjoy the climb up the pyramid!
#763482 CONCACAF Expanded Universe - US 10 Tiers, Canada 4 Tiers, and Continental Competitions
Chris Nielson
HI Ghosty Bear! Yes. It will be updated and released at some point (in theory) - right now there are a couple of bugs with the editor that make it hard to create the 24 version. You can, however, load it up in 23 and port it forward - I've done that with a personal version I made, and it worked well. I hope that helps!
#753670 CONCACAF Expanded Universe - US 10 Tiers, Canada 4 Tiers, and Continental Competitions
Chris Nielson
Ah yes, the Bavarians, my home town team. I think the 12 month limit is because of the reputation of the club - I've run into that one before, and I think you see similar things in other countries in game. The large number of Argentinians is probably the result (fault) of how I assigned players - there weren't a lot of US free agents, so I grabbed some from other countries like Argentina to round out the league, which is why they are so prominent. I randomly assigned them, so that is why the team may be unbalanced.
#753667 CONCACAF Expanded Universe - US 10 Tiers, Canada 4 Tiers, and Continental Competitions
Chris Nielson
Hi xythos - I realize I don't think I responded at any point, so apologies for that. I'll do some digging and see if there is a setting I'm not aware of that's causing the issue.
#753666 CONCACAF Expanded Universe - US 10 Tiers, Canada 4 Tiers, and Continental Competitions
Chris Nielson
I had only seen it with MLS teams, so it's interesting it would happen with a non-MLS one. Which team was it?
#753050 CONCACAF Expanded Universe - US 10 Tiers, Canada 4 Tiers, and Continental Competitions
Chris Nielson
Here is the file I made for Trey - the top division TV contract is $100m, as opposed to $2b in my original, so there is significantly less money throughout the pyramid. Enjoy everyone, and I'm looking forward to the FM 24 version!
#747672 CONCACAF Expanded Universe - US 10 Tiers, Canada 4 Tiers, and Continental Competitions
Chris Nielson
‘Thanks Xythos. I have seen something similar happen - I am curious if the MLS teams are hardcoded to have a limited roster size. There are a number of issues we've found with MLS, and this may be another one. Do you see any non-MLS teams having this issue?
#741010 CONCACAF Expanded Universe - US 10 Tiers, Canada 4 Tiers, and Continental Competitions
Chris Nielson
No problem - I'm glad you're enjoying it! I'm always in the market for changes for future versions - what changes did you make?
#740861 CONCACAF Expanded Universe - US 10 Tiers, Canada 4 Tiers, and Continental Competitions
Chris Nielson
Hey Nate - I'm sorry for the instability issues you're running into. It seems like something that's been an issue of late - I don't know if there was a shadow update that I missed, but it seems to be a common problem. I think it's a bug in the game (not related to the database) and not something I can fix unfortunately - you can see our efforts to have Sports Interactive address it in this thread: https://community.sigames.com/bugtracker/football-manager-2023-bugs-tracker/913_pre-game-and-in-game-editor/custom-league-verified-by-editor-but-game-will-crash-always-r14605/. As frustrating as it is, I don't think this bug will be addressed in FM 23, but it may be helpful to post in the thread and upload your save file in hopes this will be addressed in FM 24. I'm sorry - I wish I had a better answer for you, but there are multiple of us with US databases that are having this issue.
#740047 CONCACAF Expanded Universe - US 10 Tiers, Canada 4 Tiers, and Continental Competitions
Chris Nielson
I updated the US database with the Messi transfer. It now goes through on July 1, 2023.
#739305 CONCACAF Expanded Universe - US 10 Tiers, Canada 4 Tiers, and Continental Competitions
Chris Nielson
I think this is the last tweak I'm trying for FM 23 - I redid the CONCACAF competitions. The problem with the CONCACAF leagues (for anyone who has played) is that the gap in talent between the top and bottom (or even mid tier) teams in North America is pretty massive, so a lot of the teams outside of Canada/Mexico/The US are being blown out by the 5th or 6th year in. The new competition tree looks something like this:
The shorter (and much less complex version) is that to ameliorate this I added a fourth cup (the Bronze cup) that the teams lower in the group stage of the Gold and Silver cups get dumped into, and the lower teams in the Champions League group stage face off against the 2nd place teams in the Gold and Silver cup group stages. In theory this creates winnable competition for teams from smaller leagues, so they can get the champions league money and also have a route to a cup win.
There were two other tweaks that are notable and one fun thing:
1) I added a coefficient, so theoretically nations can climb and fall - so it's possible to do a build a nation and get more slots.
2) There is also now a super cup between the winners of the four competitions in July.
3) I created a rotating set of host nations and stadiums, so the finals won't be at the home stadium of the larger teams anymore.
The file is below.
#738556 CONCACAF Expanded Universe - US 10 Tiers, Canada 4 Tiers, and Continental Competitions
Chris Nielson
Hi friends! Since it looks like we're at the end of the FM 23 window, This summer I may release a few test versions I've been working on. They're elements I may or may not include in the FM 24 version of this database, so I want to see if anyone wants to use them and give feedback.
First, I redid the qualification in the top tier of the US database based on this James Lawrence Alcott tweet:
So, for the US top tier, the top 3 teams automatically qualify for the CONCACAF Champions League, and teams 4-7 are entered into a playoff. The winners of the semifinal face off for the last CONCACAF Champions League spot (loser goes to the Gold cup), while the losers of the semifinal face off for the last Gold Cup spot (loser goes to the Silver Cup.) It's down below as US Advanced Playoff Test.
The second is a reworking of the CONCACAF Champions League to mimic the drops between the Champions, Europa, and Europa Conference Leagues. So, the top two CL teams go into the round of 16, the 3rd place group team in the CL faces the 2nd place group team in the Gold Cup, and the 4th place CL team faces the 2nd place team in the Silver Cup. The loser of the knockouts in the Gold Cup faces the winner of the silver Cup round, and that team proceeds to the round of 16 in the Silver Cup. It's down below as CC - Drops between competitions.
I have a more… ambitious one I'm working on for the champions league, but that will take some time this summer.
If you use them, please feel free to let me know what you think and any tweaks you would suggest. Thanks all!
#738418 CONCACAF Expanded Universe - US 10 Tiers, Canada 4 Tiers, and Continental Competitions
Chris Nielson
Hi Airi - thanks for continuing to dig in, and yes, you found what looks like the workaround - if you have the in game editor, quit before the fourth Monday in August, sim pass the date, then jump back into the club. It impacts more than just my mod (https://community.sigames.com/bugtracker/football-manager-2023-bugs-tracker/913_pre-game-and-in-game-editor/custom-league-verified-by-editor-but-game-will-crash-always-r14605/) and may not have been addressed in the latest rounds of patches, so we may just be in this world for this version of the game.
#738183 CONCACAF Expanded Universe - US 10 Tiers, Canada 4 Tiers, and Continental Competitions
Chris Nielson
Yes, I have tried to dig around and figure out how to show the qualifications as well as the playoffs, but haven't figured it out… yet. Maybe one day.
#738078 CONCACAF Expanded Universe - US 10 Tiers, Canada 4 Tiers, and Continental Competitions
Chris Nielson
There isn't a coefficient, or I haven't figured out how to set it up, but here is a Google sheet with the number of teams from each nation: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HnZqraLuQdgzmFo37QRCqeeOcGvqJIUFsYbcQ5SAzP4/edit?usp=sharing.
#735571 CONCACAF Expanded Universe - US 10 Tiers, Canada 4 Tiers, and Continental Competitions
Chris Nielson
Yep! For your purposes you'll want to use the basic database - there is a bug in the game that causes lower level saves to crash to desktop on August 23rd of the first season. There are a lot more features in the advanced db, including the immersive deadline day experience and ffp rules, but I started a save with the basic one and it was a fine experience.