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By YachtmistJr 30 December 2024 - 00:58 AM UTC 

Hi, I was wondering about the colleges? Can you possibly add them to this?

 

Hi Yatch! Thanks for asking. The short version is no. 

 

The much longer version is there are three reasons I have no interest in adding colleges to my databases (I get asked about this a few times a year, so I'm just going to stick this in here for future reference - yachtmistjr you can ignore the rest if you're not interested.) 

 

  1. It would be a lot of work to create all of the colleges - even if I just focus in the 129 FCS colleges. Because colleges don't exist in the FM database, it would be a lot of work to research and add them. It took me about five hours to add 150 news sources for the US database, and a lot of that could be copied over and didn't require unique additions. Accurately representing the colleges would require a good amount of extra work and created teams, locations, and stadiums. 
  2. Every time a new version of the database is released (2-3x a development cycle), the unique ids for all created teams change, so any graphics work has to be updated every time, which is tedious (especially if you mess up the unique ids in a small but meaningful way - never had that happen…)
  3. Most importantly - Football Manager is not built for the US sporting model. We're used to “amateur” and professional sports as separate structures. The pyramid model of English Soccer operates entirely differently, and so it is really hard to replicate the financial and developmental aspects of college sports in the United States. Additionally, the restrictions sometimes only impact teams controlled by players and no by ai - which makes this frustrating as a player (I've seen this happen with salary caps, for example, in older databases.) So if you can imagine getting ten years in and playing with a team that has no budget and no development and is stuck with 19-22 year olds, while your peer teams have 28-29 year olds, and there's no way to improve, you can see how it would be a less than ideal db. 

I know others have taken a run at adding the NCAA (I think Owncredible on the SI forums had a version that had NCAA teams), but I'm just not interested in figuring it out. Thanks for asking though Yacht, and I hope the response isn't too long!

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By Kyle Kauffman 22 December 2024 - 22:06 PM UTC 

Hi went start new save the only thing that is missing is US as a nation to choose from I downloaded every FMF correctly

 

Hi Kyle - Merry Christmas. Two things - can you send me a screen capture of the files that are activated, and then load in the US screen and put your mouse cursor over the icon to show why the US isn't showing up in game? 

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By kieran mowatt 06 December 2024 - 09:13 AM UTC 

hi great db its the usa db there is one issue it seems your new expanded leagues v3d doesnt let the concacaf club competitions work with it

 

Hi Kieran - I think the bugs should be worked out between the two. Let me know if it's still a problem!

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By xythos46 13 November 2024 - 18:19 PM UTC 

Would it be possible to get more matchdays in the seasons and u18/u19 exemptions? Looking for something like Zealand USA FM22 Database

 

For this version, I'm sticking with the current structure. In the next one (depending on stability, etc. on release) I may rethink the schedule and league sizes. Thanks for asking though xythos- I appreciate it!

#801272 USA 10 Tier Database and Concacaf Expanded Universe - FM 24 Version
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So, for those of you looking for an election night distraction (or, if this goes sideways, an alternate universe to escape to) I am putting out a “beta" of my US database. I may do a few tweaks, but I think it's stable and ready. A few notes on the changes: 

 

  • Schedule shifted to Aug-May instead of Feb - Nov. 
  • Instead of winning automatic promotion if you win a stage, you get home pitch advantage in a promotion playoff (Or champion play off in the top tier.) 
  • The top division has been expanded to 18 teams, and the next three divisions have been expanded to 16 teams. 
  • The leagues cups have been moved into the opening/closing stages, reducing some fixture congestion in those windows. 

 

I think these tweaks make the db stronger and hopefully more enjoyable. I was planning to do all of this for FM 25, but, well, we know… 

 

Happy gaming!

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By daniels345 17 October 2024 - 19:09 PM UTC 

Hey mate, great mod really enjoying it just one q - would it be possible to add youth leagues and teams to the Caribbean leagues? Am playing in Jamaica but not being able to develop any youth is kind of a killer! 

 

Well, we have some time now. I'm working on a us database update, so I'll add rounding out the concacaf ones to my list too. Hopefully I'll have something for you by the end of the month if that's ok!

 

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By Schraubokopter 18 October 2024 - 04:28 AM UTC 

Well, wonderful mod, but 1 problem.
File con.png in the club icons and so on gives me an error in the .zip file, can't extract. Any way to resolve that? or maybe the zip file is broken?

 

I attached the missing icon below - you should be able to grab it and add it in. Let me know if that doesn't work - thanks Schraunbokopter!

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By Deniz Uğurbaş 29 October 2024 - 12:54 PM UTC 

Hello. When I play with the Turkish league, I get a lot of transfer offers from the USA during the transfer periods, it doesn't seem realistic to me. what is the reason for this? Is it true that you didn't bring additional leagues for Canada, Mexico?

 

Hello Deniz! Yes, it makes sense that you'd have a lot more clubs making inquiries - there are about 100+ professional clubs with budgets on par with (or greater than) the UK's pyramid, so they're looking for more players. I understand why it would feel unrealistic, but I kept a few features of US sport (lots of money and lower immigration barriers) that may be impacting the game.

 

And yes, this year I didn't include extra leagues in Mexico and Canada. There were some …issues with the editor when it released this year, and I decided to narrow my scope a bit. We'll see the state of things for 25/26, and I may expand it again. 

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By Douglas Coley (Douglas) 30 October 2024 - 18:57 PM UTC 

I keep getting a crash in July, Playing from NPSL South. always10 day before the tournaments start

 

Yeah, that's an in game bug. Quit the job, sim past the date, and rehire yourself. Sorry, I wish there was a better answer, but that's the only solution. 

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By Baldo l'Allegro Castoro 04 October 2024 - 12:07 PM UTC 

the idea is great, it's one of the best usa and american databases i've seen. unfortunately, the promotion system, for me, ruins the gameplay experience.

 

Yeah, I'd love to hear more of your thoughts on how it's ruined the experience - I'm assuming it's the problem with too few games to secure promotion. I played a couple seasons and felt the same coldness about it - I have a few tweaks I am planning to make for FM 25 (more teams, and a different promotion structure), but if you have any other thoughts I'm open to them. Thanks for the honest feedback Baldo!

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By Cristian Noob 17 September 2024 - 07:13 AM UTC 

Hello! Does it work with a downloaded database that is also in concacaf? For example, I downloaded the British Virgin islands database.

 

Hi Cristian! It only works if you do it with the databases in the set as a whole. So, you couldn't use a vanilla BVI database with it because of the changes made to the US system. 

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Hi IG - are you unzipping it in the documents/sports interactive/graphics folder? It looks like you're unzipping in your one drive folder, and that may be the wrong directory. 

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By Ali Sheikh 21 July 2024 - 14:50 PM UTC 

hello i am interested in managing an MLS team but there is issues for registration which is so annoying also limits players for foreigners and i am wondering if there is mod for unlimited ones please.

 

Hi Ali - are you using this mod, or looking for one in general? This one does require you to have a few homegrown players, but is not nearly as restrictive as the actual MLS rules. If you're looking for a setup that has MLS with modified roster rules I don't know of one at the moment. 

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Quick note - there was a yellow card issue in the fifth tier that was fixed in this latest update. Additionally, I added in the current USL Championship and USL1 expansion teams. 

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By ewannawe 03 July 2024 - 22:26 PM UTC 

does the draft operate in this database?

 

It does not. It operates on European rules - so transfers and academies instead of trades and drafts. 

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By ChrisC29 27 June 2024 - 03:23 AM UTC 

My game never loads past the 24th of may 2023. anyone have any ideas why? i've restarted a few different variations of saves and it also stops on that date. 

 

It’s a ctd issue in game. If you quit and sim past the date and then take the job again you should be ok. It will probably happen on the 4th Wednesday of May every year until you get out lf the NPSL. 

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By webbmode 24 June 2024 - 01:45 AM UTC 

I'm an idiot and downloaded the two in the description, but not the one in the downloads section 💀

 

my bad

Happens to the best of us. Hope you enjoy it webb!

 

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By Bret Piechowski 04 June 2024 - 02:09 AM UTC 

Hey Chris…did you have to go with the opening and closing leagues (similar to Liga MX) in order to get the big break in the middle for the various cups? I liked that in the overall schedule and was wondering if the only way to get that to work was to do the opening/closing league. 

 

Hey Bret! Good question. No, the opening/closing stage was my original vision, but it took a couple months to figure it out. There is an option in the editor to create league breaks where games don't take place - that's how it worked in the original versions of the db. I had to build the opening/closing stages from scratch in advanced mode. 

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By Christian Ramirez 19 April 2024 - 20:35 PM UTC 

Hi, I'm not sure if this is an issue on my end but when adding the USA, Mexico, and Canada CEUD files to my editor data the game changes the Liga MX league name to the Liga MX femenil. Is there anyway to fix this change? Thank you!

 

Hi Christian - I'm sorry for the slow reply. So, the reason Liga MX is labelled that in the db is that is what I found when I googled the name - if there has been a change in sponsorship (or anything else I should be aware of) please let me know and I can tweak it. Thanks!

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By crazybrit462 05 May 2024 - 17:23 PM UTC 

Great work, is there a way I can change this to be part of UEFA rather than CONCACAF?

 

Hey Brit - it would be helpful to know what part you want to change to UEFA. My guess is probably no (not without a LOT of work in the editor), but it would be helpful to know the specific changes you want to make. 

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By Weeaboo Jones 05 May 2024 - 19:04 PM UTC 

how come the attendance during  MLS Championship final is so low? the neutral venues are mostly NFL stadiums but the past 2 finals in my save use up at most half stadium capacity. i was in the final this season and the stadium had a capacity of 80k, but the game day attendance was 20k.

Thanks for the picture and explanation - my guess is that it has something to do with distance for the clubs and the size of their max attendances. I'll have to poke around a bit and see what's going on with that. 

 

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By TanFraser91 19 April 2024 - 14:01 PM UTC 

This might be a dumb question - I am in the middle of a save using your database (incredible FYI!!!!), do I just download the new files and replace them in the folders and when I load the updates will be made? Or can I not update the database in the middle of a save?

Hi Tan! Great question. The short version is, the database files can't be changed once the game is going. You'll need to start a new game with the new db files for the changes I made for 24.4 to take effect. As far as the graphics go,  you have now will work in your current save going forward, but if you load up a new one you will want the new graphics. 

 

Longer explanation on the graphics- every time SI releases a new version of Football Manager, they include new teams, people, and stadiums, which changes the unique id (uid) that the xml files have for each graphic. So, every time a new release comes out, you need an updated logo pack to match the new unique ids. It's a…pain, especially if you want to go back to an old save. I'm thinking through options for future years to make it less onerous - hope that helps. 

 

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Also, I just updated the files for the 24.4 database, and made a few changes:

24.4 Updates (4/11)

  • The big one this time - levels 1-7 now have formal opening and closing stages. The winner of the stages win automatic promotion - if the same team wins both stages then 2nd and 3rd in the overall table have a playoff to determine who goes up. Relegation is based off of the overall table.
  • I gave each team a modest starting budget, added managers to most teams, and added players to teams in levels 2-7, so you should have some players at an appropriate level for the league when you play a team lower down the pyramid. You will still want to check the add players box though.
  • I made levels 1-7 playable by default because of the lower league bug.
  • I added a lot of local media to the US database - you should have 10-15 outlets at your news conferences going forward.
  • I registered the appropriate clubs from the US, Canada, and Mexico for the Continental Cups.
  • I tried to add a CONCACAF Cup Winners Cup in the spring, but I couldn't get the game to set it up. So, we will call it good for this year and try again in FM 25.
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By Adzter 15 March 2024 - 13:09 PM UTC 

I don't know if I am being stupid but the trained by a club in the nation for 3 years before 21 seems to be bugged and not counting people. even using the ingame editor to add my club and also trained in nation it isn't counting anyone as trained in the US before 21, I assume youth intake players would eventually work but I haven't got that far yet

 

Yeah - SI broke the homegrown rules in custom databases in the last update - the bug thread is here: https://community.sigames.com/bugtracker/football-manager-2024-early-access-bugs-tracker/all-other-issues/all-players-lost-their-homegrown-status-r22164/. It should be fixed in the next update, but until then there is a version without homegrown rules in the thread above. 

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By Rimmshot1973 05 March 2024 - 10:03 AM UTC 

Is this a fantasy file?

 

Yes. The clubs are the same as we have in real life, but they are split geographically and in different divisions (and obviously it has pro/rel, which the United States doesn't utilize in real life.) If you're looking for a realistic database I'd point you to @themodelcitizen's to level 4 US db: https://sortitoutsi.net/content/64052/fm24-usa-to-d3-with-mls-next?page=2#comment_769366

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By Bret Piechowski 03 March 2024 - 23:57 PM UTC 

Chris - Just a thought….you could limit “foreign” players to compensate for the loss of homegrown status. 

 

Side note- Did you have any issues getting the 1846 Brigade 3d kits loading? I had a very strange issue, 2d loaded fine but 3d in game and load up screen defaulted to the SI vanilla. I had to mess around with it for a while to get it work…but only with new kits that I made with Kitbasher. I had to go into FMRTE and change the home kit from 48 to 1….but I liked the sponsors you had on your kits (Harley/Miller) so I then tried again to get them to load…no love. Same issue. I wasn't sure who I was going to play as, Milwaukee or Las Vegas….started a save for both….hated the new red kits for Vegas…liked the older ones…..So I remade their in the old style…..no issue at all loading them into the game. So I'm not sure what happened with the 1846 kits. 

 

That's a clever workaround Bret. If SI doesn't post a hotfix by the next iteration I'll probably implement that. 

 

Also, I'm attaching the kits I used in game that I think worked - let me know if this fixes your problem. 

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By Jameson Rehm 03 March 2024 - 16:03 PM UTC 

Quick question, in the US, folks will only accept 1 year deals (both extensions and new signings).  Is there a fix I don't know about? 

 

Thanks for doing this!  Makes my home country playable!

 

Hey Jameson! I think that has to do with club reputation. I've found in my saves that the lower level US teams get 12 mo contracts to start, but that by the time I make it to the top tier I can get 3 year contracts. I think that's the issue there, and once you start a save you can't adjust the team reputations. Glad you're finding it fun though - what is your home country?

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HI everyone - quick 24.3 related update. It appears that there is a bug that has wiped out homegrown at nation and club data in custom databases. I remade the US, Mexican, and Canadian dbs and removed the homegrown eligibilities. You can find them below:

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Also, a quick note (as I just loaded up my save from 24.1) - it looks like there is a bug in the newest data update that wipes out homegrown statuses of players in long term saves. You can post your experience in this thread to help highlight the issue for SI: https://community.sigames.com/bugtracker/football-manager-2024-early-access-bugs-tracker/all-other-issues/all-players-lost-their-homegrown-status-r22164/.