M.C - Comments

All transfers are part of the ‘Changes.fmf’ file. It will either be called ‘sortitoutsi.net FM24 Data Update - Changes.fmf’ (free version) or ‘Classic FM - Changes.fmf’ (enhanced version).

The files that have individual nation names (e.g. 'sortitoutsi.net FM24 Data Update - Turkiye (League)') contain the division structures for that nation (i.e. promotions/relegations and, where relevant, new league structure rules).

To play with the SortItOutSI Data Update, it is recommmended to enable all of the files that are part of the main folder in the download as this gives you the full content. If you are using the enhanced/paid version, you should only enable one instance of the ‘dynamic data’ files - there are ten choices.

Hope that helps.

Ah, that is my bad. I must’ve uploaded a file that hadn’t been verified. You are not doing anything wrong - I missed a step in the process when creating the file.

I will resolve this and upload a replacement version in the next couple of hours.

To be honest, what I need to know is which custom database you use to play in Poland that makes the lower levels (3-4) playable.

You can attach that specific .fmf file here, or you can describe the custom database (e.g. using the author’s name) or link to it.

If it is something you downloaded from this site, you’ll find it in your ‘Downloads’ section.

Can you please confirm that you are only using the Data Update, then?

Because, as mentioned earlier, I downloaded the latest version and tested with:

1. Only the SortItOutSI Data Update enabled. This worked fine - the playable leagues are the first two levels (same as in the vanilla game).

2. With both the SortItOutSI Data Update and MasterIgor's Poland database enabled. This also worked fine - with the first four levels being playable.

We have not had any other reports of the Polish nation having errors and being unselectable, so I'd like to understand your installation fully. It is true that recently the Polish nation file has been updated to reflect 2025/26, but it works on its own so the issue here is compatibility with extended databases which enable lower divisions to be playable with strict rules.

Now, the error it shows up is clearly stating it can only find 17 teams in Groups 1 & 4 of the Polish III Liga. Which does match what I can see in the Data Update file. However, the vanilla game does not mind that there are only 17 teams in those groups - there are no strict rules about those groups because the first two levels are the only playable ones.

In MasterIgor's file, his Polish III Liga rules allow for 10 or more teams in each group. Therefore, again, these 17-team groups are valid and the game can proceed.

From this, I can draw the conclusion that you are using some other file that instructs strict rules about 18-team groups. Whilst there will be a chance to circle back and make sure the III Liga groups each have 18 teams, it'll be easier for me to know the extra file(s) you are using so that I can test it at my end before releasing an update. It also means I can know, for sure, how many levels down the rules need to be adhered to so that I make all of the right updates in one go. Just to confirm: I was not the person who made the current Poland file so it isn't easy for me to know, for sure, what the reason was for not ensuring 18 teams were in the III Liga groups. But once I know what file to make it compatible with, I'll be happy to do that.

Perhaps you could share a screenshot of the files you have enabled and/or the ‘editor data’ folder where your database files are.

I think you must be combining the Data Update files with some other custom data files. I have tested with just the Data Update and it all works fine.

I have also tested with MasterIgor's extended Poland database active (alongside the website's main Data Update) and it still works fine. The MasterIgor file enables Poland to be playable down to the fourth level (Polska III Liga and above).

Can you share a screenshot of the Editor Data folder and also one of all of them enabled in-game, please?

For the folder screenshot, please include all files you have in that folder.

You should enable all of the files associated with the SortItOutSI Data Update. Vast majority of them start with ‘sortitoutsi.net’ - but not quite all.

The file that provides all of the transfers is the ‘Changes’ file. Individual nations have their own file - which updates promotions/relegations. If you hover over a file in that view you provided a screenshot of, it’ll give a description of what it does.

However, as I say, you should enable all of them and that will give you the full updated game world (note: not every playable league has been updated - but most have. The outstanding ones will be completed in the coming days/week or so).

As a general position, they are fundamentally compatible with each other. However, they are both large updates that you might consider ‘overhauls’ and they do have some overlap of content.

For example, both add new players. Some of those will be the same. So you’ll need to choose which update’s file(s) to use in such cases.

No - the Data Update contains updated attributes/abilities for over 500,000 Person records already. And the dynamic files provide 10 variations on those to provide some further variety.

I was referring to the integration into the update, specifically, of CA/PA values that have been submitted by this community via this website. Which is a new feature that was introduced earlier this year and taking those submissions on board is what is still on the to-do list. I do know the site admin is working on it as I’ve been asked to test some files in the past few days.

We would be very happy to accept and integrate your work on Italy. I am personally heading in holiday, tomorrow; I’ll be away one week.

If, in the meantime, you were happy and willing to update the file to include Serie C, please do then just DM me the file. Don’t worry about file names - I can sort that out in receipt of the file.

Of course we will provide credit in the file notes when we upload it.

Thanks for flagging, Marco.

This will get corrected as part of the next pass-through of Italy. I believe the Serie C constitutions are being finalised (or have just been finalised) - it makes sense to sweep both of those changes up as part of a single update to that nation's structure.

I agree that there is a need to tidy up/correct the Brescia / FerlapiSaló / Union Brescha situation, so the new club is properly represented.

As a result of a recent change in the submissions system, there was a small period during which some changes (submitted by the community), when moderated/approved, were resulting in a second instance of the player being created. All three of the players you mentioned were caused by this.

I have now taken care of the duplicates for these three - if you, or anyone else, spots any other duplicates, please do report them.

Check this comment/thread out, as it sounds like your symptom is similar to that reported by others: https://sortitoutsi.net/comments/get/833633

One thing to note: you need to ensure you are only using one version of either the non-dynamic or dynamic data. If you have tried to activate more than one, this could be your issue.

So, where I am coming from: a typical league would have a July 2023 start. In the context of where we are now, that would replicate a July 2025 start - the first season you play in-game (dated 2023/24) is simulating the upcoming 2025/26 season in real-life.

By that logic, February 2023 in-game is the equivalent of February 2025 in real-life. So for a nation like Sweden, which has a March start, I'd argue that starting in February 2023 in-game is like starting in February 2025 in real-life - meaning the first season you play is the one that is ongoing at the moment.

Updating the promotions/relegations for Sweden, the latest version we can do (at the moment) is update for the 2025 season. To replicate playing that season in-game from the start, the player should start in February 2023 right? A February 2024 start simulates starting in real-life February 2026, which we haven't reached yet and would reflect next season in Sweden, the promotions/relegations for which will be decided later this year.

So I think the behaviour you are seeing in-game is accurate (i.e. those loans are expiring in-game in December 2023). Using the Data Update, December 2023 in-game is the equivalent of December 2025 in real-life.

The loans you are seeing set Jan-Dec 2023 in-game are setup as Jan-Dec 2025 loans in real-life (and, indeed, that is how they are configured on the website - to match the real-life dates).

The Data Update offsets everything by two years to account for the time that has passed. Using the Data Update, an in-game start year of 2024 is, effectively, equivalent to a 2026 start date. Therefore, I think it's correct that those loans have expired.

Put another way, the season currently underway in Sweden (in real-life) would be the 2023 season in-game. The 2026 real-life season (starting in March 2026) is the equivalent of the 2024 season in-game. Appreciate it can be a bit confusing with the overlap of different schedules and the fact that we're now two years on.

I'm actually about to turn my attention to doing updates for the major Scandinavian nations for 2025 and I've been pondering whether to disable the later start year, because it is effectively next season and it may be confusing to have the updated data for 2025 but then find the game has simulated a year (i.e. people will assume the data update is wrong because their game has simulated a season and teams have been promoted/relegated).

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Just wanted to acknowledge this - alongside the ongoing work to get all playable leagues updated for 2025/26, I have started work on a ‘general data’ update, too. Things like club names would go into this. I can't commit to a timeline, but consider FC Masar on the list!

As above, the same goes for Muş Spor Kulübü. However, I will probably iterate the change in the dedicated Türkiye (League) file, as that is typically where I include club name changes for playable leagues.

It is worth noting that if the popular ‘Real Name Fix’ file has an entry for the club using the old name (for either club) then any change made on the Data Update won't overwrite that.

…and just on the note of #3, above: I have now iterated the European registrations files and uploaded it. From tomorrow, the Data Update will have Nottingham Forest in the Europa League and Crystal Palace in the Europa Conference League.

Just my two cents on the above - and this is not intended as an excuse, just an honest appraisal of where things are at:

1. Whilst that's a subjective matter, it's a valid point - and there are plenty of examples where a club's reputational increase/decline (over the past two seasons) is quite significant (clubs who have suffered back-to-back promotions or relegations spring to mind).

To set your expectations: there is no ‘reputation scaling’ built into the Data Update, by default, at the moment. On the to-do list is doing a pass of this in an automated way, but it hasn't materialised yet. I think it's fair to say that a manual approach would be difficult to do, just purely based on resources/time available - but we'll look at how we could go about this.

2. Again, there's no automated method for finances/transfer budgets to be updated in the Data Update based on real-world activity (this would probably be ideal). Transfer budgets/finances are a tricky one, especially in the middle of an active transfer window (in the sense that they fluctuate based on club activity). Very recently, we have established a method for the staff to adjust finances-by-club in a simple way; but I just don't think there's been a chance to actually do those updates. As I'm sure you can imagine, reflecting the changes on a daily basis as a result of transfer activity would be quite a job - especially to cover multiple nations/divisions. I'm not saying it wouldn't be a great addition to the Data Update - just that it's hard to achieve and keep updated on a daily basis.

3. The European qualification will get corrected. The staff have been hard at work updating league consistutions for 2025/26 across all playable leagues and the nuanced changes (for example, the fairly unique changes of qualification between Crystal Palace and Nottingham Forest) necessitate us to circle back to a file previously updated. Again, it's just a matter of timing. I'm making a point of updating the European qualification file today, so it should be integrated in the update from tomorrow with corrected qualifications.

The Data Update individual nation files include updated club and competition histories. These are listed as 2023/24 and 2024/25 in-game on the history/past winners tabs.

What isn’t possible is to prevent the game from then running through the 2023/24 and 2024/25 seasons again - thus the history will end up showing two entries for each of these seasons.

For European competitions, I haven’t been involved in making these so I am not 100% sure the same situation is true…but I’d assume it is.

What is your belief that these aren’t updated based on? It is worth noting not all nations have been done yet - though all the major playable nations have been…with the others following in the near future.

All of those specific examples you’ve cited are definitely reflected in the Data Update for - and have been for some time.

My instincts tell me that one way or another you haven’t enabled the Data Update/installed it correctly, if they are not showing up. Can you check to ensure you’ve installed the files and enabled them as part of your game setup?

The £5 is an annual fee. It gives you access to all versions of the Enhanced Data Update for a period of 12 months.

I came across the duplicate a couple of days ago and took care of it. Apologies, I never spotted the reports to respond to them in here.

All the same, thanks for those that point these out!

Van Spor FK are in the Trendyol 1. Lig in the latest versions of the update (indeed, any versions since the 2025/26 update for Turkey was released). This was a file I made, recently, so it may be that you haven't downloaded a version since then?

I've just checked it to be sure and can see Van Spor amongst the promoted teams.

With respect to changing the Chairman/President, the existing one can be removed by updating his record via https://sortitoutsi.net/football-manager-data-update/person/2000248583. Unfortunately, I do not believe the current Chairman/President exists in the database so putting him in place is not as straightforward.

The first thing I’d be checking is whether the option to only allow taking over teams without a manager is ticked. This is one of the checkbox options on the game setup screen (where you select which leagues/nations you want active).

Here’s a post I made yesterday that tries to explain/provide some practical advice. Posting a link to save copy-pasting it all:

https://sortitoutsi.net/comments/get/833633

Just to provide a more official stance: the plan is to arrange the creation of a facepack for the newly-created players. This has not been done yet - given the volume, it’s likely we will want to integrate this to make it a community-driven effort.

This requires some web front-end work and overall integration work.

However, the groundwork has been done to ensure the UIDs of players within the Data Update are static and don’t change between updates. As with any custom/extra files, if combined with other databases that also add new people, the UIDs can’t be guaranteed. This is what RT7 is referring to when they mention the UIDs not being ‘official’.

I can’t provide a timeline because I am not the web developer of this site. But it’s on the to-do list. In the last month or two, the ongoing priority has been to get leagues/nations updated for 2025/26, alongside ongoing responsibilities around moderating submissions (which get busy once the transfer window opens).

Of course, in the interim, people can make their own facepacks for their local use, if they wish.

@Tuna457 - just thought I would circle back and confirm, as of about 5 minutes ago, I have now uploaded the latest version of the Turkish league file to the Data Update. This should be available from tomorrow's download, onwards.

Specifically, I have now also added the transfer limitations that are in place for 2. Lig & 3. Lig clubs, as follows:

• For 2. Lig, clubs can have a maximum of 25 players aged 21 and over registered to their club at any one time (note: this is not the same as how many can be registered for a competition - this is overall limits of players who are owned by the club)
• For 3. Lig, club can have the same maximum of 25 players aged 21 and over registered to their club at any one time; however, of these, only a maximum of 5 are able to be aged 23 or over. The real-life rule is 25-years-old or over, but there is no way to replicate this, so I have used 23+ as the closest age to reflect this rule.

The squad registration rules for each of the Super Lig, 1. Lig, 2. Lig & 3. Lig are also matching the real-world rules.

Name, DOB, nationality, position, preferred foot, opinion on CA/PA and club contract info is a good minimum standard. The form will auto-reject if you’re missing required info.

In reality, it doesn’t take long to fill in everything needed for one player submission so by all means - just give it a go!

If a player is missing from the database, they can be added by any community member. Simply head over to https://sortitoutsi.net/football-manager-data-update/attributes to get started and follow the guidance from there.