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The individual download for Level 19 of the pyramid can be found attached to this post. The first post of this thread contains the single attachment for all levels created thus far.

 

The next update will be for the entirety of Level 18 - consisting a total of 17 divisions, comprising 174 clubs.

The individual download for Level 20 of the pyramid can be found attached to this post. The first post of this thread contains the single attachment for all levels created thus far.

 

The next update will be for the entirety of Level 19 - consisting a total of six divisions, comprising 59 clubs.

I've taken my first baby steps towards contributing towards the Metallic Logos, specifically to try and enrich the visuals for the Lower Leagues in England.

 

The attached download (which will evolve over the coming days, significantly I hope) is intended for those that use the FM24 English Lower Leagues Database.

 

Thus far, I've created the competition and club logos for Levels 19-20 (attachment: L19-20.zip), which comprises of the following competitions:

 

Level 19:

Central & South Norfolk League Division Three

Devon & Exeter League Division Seven

Lancashire & Cheshire Amateur League Division B

Lowestoft & District League Division Two

Mid-Essex League Division Three
Stroud & District League Division Six

 

 

Level 20:

Central & South Norfolk League Division Four

Devon & Exeter League Division Eight

Lancashire & Cheshire Amateur League Division C

Lowestoft & District League Division Three

Mid-Essex League Division Four

 

 

At this level, many of the competitions/clubs are not in the official FM 2024 database and therefore there is no method for me to upload the work into the central megapack. I am hoping posting this thread, here, is the right alternative thing for me to do. Love all of the work by the community here and just wanted to give something back.

Not 100% sure on whether Andy Pugh continues to be a member of the playing squad, or solely a coach…erring on the side of caution and leaving him as Player/Coach, based on the Phoenix Sports FC website I cited.

Not sure entirely what to set as the ‘Contract Start Date’ so have left it as-is. As best I can tell, Ryan Hayes has been operating as Assistant Manager since around the start of 2024. Extra evidence of the club referring to him in his joint-role, here:

https://www.phoenixsportsclub.co.uk/news/sitting-down-with-ryan-hayes-2829536.html

By Footygamer 03 April 2024 - 22:35 PM UTC 

@maconnolly did you use the thumbs up/down 👍 👎 voting system? That's how non mods can vote on a pending or si missed submission to draw attention to it.

 

Apologies - no I didn’t. I will do that, though!

Contract end-date based on the one-year extension signed, as per this article:

https://hydeunited.co.uk/2023/05/27/nick-spooner-signs-a-contract/

By Footygamer 12 March 2024 - 10:09 AM UTC 

24.3 Data Update is live and everyone can go and make changes now 🙂

 

 

This year i've tried to reimport any that were in the 24.0 update that SI missed. However there's far more than I thought they'd be, 5676 to be exact, so i'm concerned i'm giving people too much work asking them to go through and check these.

 

The only comparisons where done where contracted team id and loan team id, not any dates or anything like that.

 

What i've done is put them under a separate status called “SI Missed” you can find them through this link on the bottom left you'll also be able to filter by your own username if you wish. This means they can still be gone through and checked for those who want to, but they're not under the pending notification and hopefully that means people don't feel too pressured by them.

 

Some people have ALOT so if you check some and tell me “i'm pretty sure all mine are correct and SI have simply missed them” then i'll enable them all in bulk without asking you to enable them individually.

 

Here are the people with the most for reference.

 

@Club Almagro  1256
@Matthew Salisbury  568
@Rob2312  469
@brollan  260
@wonbrz  260
@Tomasz Tomasz  230
@Marc Schweiger  152
@Jakub Špendlík  135
@Krebwy  117
@Deibitto  117
@Felipe Mateus BRASIL  91
@leitogonza  90
@LBOW6  85

 

@Footygamer - not sure if this is ‘fair’ etiquette, but as someone interested in contributing to the accuracy for the Lower Leagues of England, I noticed that Matthew Salisbury's unapproved ‘SI Missed’ submissions are all accurate. I spot-checked a handful as well as coming across a few others where I wanted to submit them, only to notice he already had.

 

I wonder whether those could be approved on the strength of my check just to get them into the DB update?

By LBOW6 24 March 2024 - 21:16 PM UTC 

Now level 20!

 

However, I tried to start a save as Doncaster City and noticed none of their players were imported - despite Ross McCormack and others being moved in the data update.

 

The Lower Leagues DB (I've got the one down to Level 14), for whatever reason, sets the original Doncaster City (UID: 2000266392) as extinct and replaces them with a second instance of Doncaster City (UID: 2000339433). I think that accounts for the players/staff who have been assigned to the original club not showing up. At least that would be my theory.

 

It's hard to tell (quickly) whether there are a lot of clubs where this has been done…but my very initial poking around suggests this isn't a very common approach for this DB. I filtered for semi-professional or amateur clubs, based in England, that were extinct with at least one database change and the total number was 33. That doesn't even necessarily mean the changes made were to set it as extinct…but it's an indicator, at least.

 

As an aside, I'm going to spend a bit of time to try and hustle my way through the lower leagues (in the Editor) and see if there are a few simple changes I can apply to update the player/staff representation wherever possible. Obviously it's a mammoth task - but if I come across such duplicates, I'll cut the people across to the ‘new’ club, alongside starting with getting key non-playing staff updated, so that more of the clubs have managers (at least) at the start of a new game.

 

Whether I can get the playing staff filled in to a reasonable degree is another matter - information becomes limited as you go down the ladder but, also, it's just a ton of work.

Edit: I've done a quick scan of the clubs that are extinct that I cited earlier in my post. Their extinction, is all cases, is spot on - including that of Doncaster City. I was curious, so I went looking - but Doncaster City effectively withdrew from the league system in 2023 and reformed after a year absence. Therefore, I can understand the reasoning behind creating a new instance of them.

 

Most of the other clubs that have been made extinct are either clubs that have dissolved, or clubs that have merged with others - and in all cases, the new club is represented in the Lower Leagues DB. From my checks, Doncaster City and Redcar Newmarket appear to be two that have been replaced by clubs with an identical name (and perhaps are, in fact, ‘the same club’).

Edit #2: I did a quick check, out of curiosity, to see how many mismatches there could be from the SortItOutSI.net database in to the Lower Leagues DB. There really are very few. The full list of extinct clubs I could find and their source of extinction is as below. The first club listed is the ‘extinct’ club. The second club listed is the club that replaces them, where applicable. Replacement clubs that do not exist in the 24.3 database (and therefore can't have people added to them as part of the SortItOutSI.net database update) are italicised.

Extinct in 24.3 (official DB):

 

Bromsgrove (621) --> Bromsgrove Rovers (2000340541)
Buckingham Athletic (94038815) --> Buckingham (2000271105)
Bury AFC (2000020194) --> Bury (623)
East Thurrock Utd (5103648) --> dissolved (not replaced)
Heath Hayes (7940427) --> dissolved (not replaced)
Kent Football Utd (90069974) --> dissolved (not replaced)
Rye (30005424) --> Rye Town (2000338210)
Sidlesham (5103785) --> Fishbourne (2000338780)
Southwick (8325053) --> dissolved (not replaced)

 

Extinct in Lower Leagues DB only:

 

Broxbourne (8325073) --> Broxbourne Badgers (2000339150)
Coggeshall United (2000024740) --> dissolved (not replaced)
Crowle (2000266389) --> Crowle Colts (2000337574)
Dearne & District (2000266390) --> Dearne & District (2000337340)
Doncaster City (2000266392) --> Doncaster City (2000339433)
Eltham Palace (90069968) --> dissolved (not replaced)
Epsom Ath (90069940) --> dissolved (not replaced)
Eye United (2000007052) --> dissolved (not replaced)
Gravesham (90069972) --> dissolved (not replaced)
Greenwich (5103797) --> dissolved (not replaced)
Littlehampton Utd (2000180974) --> dissolved (merged with East Preston)
New College Swindon (8325241) --> dissolved (not replaced)
Redcar Newmarket (2000256464) --> Redcar Newmarket (2000337647)
Ringmer (5103782) --> Ringmer AFC (2000337618)
Solihull Utd (2000018168) --> dissolved (not replaced)
Sporting Club Inkberrow (2000266387) --> Inkberrow (2000337516)
Team Bury (94012187) --> dissolved (not replaced)
Team Dudley (94052914) --> dissolved (not replaced)
Thrapston Town (8325067) --> Thrapston Venturas (2000338515)
Upton AA (74037551) --> dissolved (not replaced)
Whyteleafe (5100206) --> AFC Whyteleafe (2000205377)
Willenhall (5103728) --> dissolved (not replaced)

Is it normal/expected that the unique IDs of the teams in the lower divisions are different from the ones indicated in the original FM 24.3 database?

 

Just as a random example: Copthorne FC, who play in the Southern Combination League Division One. Their unique ID in the FM 24.3 database is 2000266386. In the new career game I have created, they show as having a unique ID of 2000337759.

 

I don't really know what the bearing is on gameplay of these being different (if any) but, for example, from a graphical perspective - their club logo doesn't work when using the the Metallic Logos megapack (because it is bound to 2000266386).

Sorry if this has been asked/explained and I haven't seen it: what is the right way for someone to contribute who wants to extend the database (for example, by adding new people that are not in the database to start with)?

 

I appreciate that to make those changes locally, for myself, I'd be doing those through the Pre-Game Editor - but I would be keen for those to be reflected into the community update if it was possible.

 

The things I am keen on doing are increasing the representation in the lower leagues in England because I (and I imagine many others) am a big fan of the English Lower Leagues DB.

Got it - let me get those re-worked so they are at the right zoom and re-submit!

No, so I understand what you are saying. What I'm suggesting is that the latest version of the game, FM 2020, starts in pre-season of the 2019/20 season. So let's say July 2019. Gareth Bale, as the example, is on a loan until the end of the season.

Whilst in real-life he is due to be at Tottenham until 2021, in the context of the game, he's on a one-season loan. That season starts in 2019 and ends in 2020. If he were on loan until 2021, it would be a two-season loan. Alternatively, for full realism, the first season would be ignored and his loan would only start once the game was one year in (and in pre-season of 2020/21).

Generally, it's accepted that once a season has gone by, versus real-life, the game is essentially 'one year ahead' with transfers realised and loans in place for the first season in-game. The alternative approach would be to configure all transfers and loans as future transfers and loans.

Isn't that correct?

Maybe I'm missing something, but in the context of FM 2020, a season-long loan would finish mid-2020. If it was 2021, it'd be a two-season loan from the start of the game (for leagues that run August-May).