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This is due to the initial, mass creation of players (around 15,000) taking place before those variables were able to be specified on the site.

Likewise, even since those variables have been able to be specified, they are optional and so it depends on the person submitting them to fill them in. Naturally, for some players this information isn’t that available (although it can be estimated based on nationality, for example). But there is also an argument that it’s better not to guess at all, if the information can’t be ascertained definitively.

Overall, it is something that a few of us are working on as time allows - but I’m sure you can imagine going through 1000s of players and updating those details is time-consuming. It is being worked on all the time.

For what it’s worth - I do agree it’s an area of the data that would benefit from being improved; but there is just a reality to the effort required.

You need to use the latest FM24 database available in-game - which should be 24.3.0.

Noted - I'll tackle this one.

@Footygamer - as a more general point, I think we should update the contents of the thread to advise community members to simply report the duplicates in here, so that the staff can take care of them…as I believe access to modify the FM ID is not visible to anyone other than moderators…which was a decision we took as there were many being applied incorrectly (so I don't think we should change it back).

The FM24 Data Update is not designed to ‘roll forward’ the in-game start date to 2025/2026. Unfortunately, the game does not allow for this in any reasonable way whilst still keeping everything accurate and updated.

Instead, the FM24 Data Update takes an approach of ‘rolling forward’ everything else about the footballing world, but keeping the in-game start dates as they originally were. In summary, all players/people are aged to be two years older, all contracts are offset by two years to account for the passing of time and promotions/relegations/league structures are updated (not all leagues are done, but most playable nations are and those that are not yet are being worked on) accordingly. Thus, starting in January 2024 in-game is the equivalent of a January 2026 start. It is worth noting that Argentina is one of those nations that hasn't yet been updated, so the league structure/promotions/relegations won't reflect the 2026 season yet. It is on my list to tackle in the coming weeks and I will get to it as soon as I can.

There are members of our community who maintain separate ‘future start date' files which are designed to allow you to start from a later in-game date. I think they have pretty good coverage of which leagues are playable - though I don't believe it is all of them (I can't say I keep up with the progress, as it isn't something I use). Those future start date files can be paired with some parts of the Data Update, but not all (i.e. some of the files overlap). The forum threads have instructions, I'm pretty sure.

I don't disagree that the queue - overall - at the moment is large. The particular situation is that it consists mostly of a large number of newly-created players, primarily submitted by two community members in a short space of time, both of whom I have reached out to and let know that moderating those submissions will take some time.

The moderation step is important because, without it, submissions that are incorrect or incomplete would make it into the available download and then the quality of the Data Update would suffer for everyone. As a team, we commit as much time as we can to ensuring all submissions are moderated as quickly as possible. I know that I, personally, contribute to that effort on a daily basis (in fact, multiple times per day) whenever possible. However, sometimes I am not able to volunteer my time every single day because - for example - right now I am on holiday and so have limited time. Sometimes if there's a combination of that sort of thing for multiple staff members, the queue can build up a little bit. Rest assured, it'll get tackled ASAP.

Despite there being a long, overall queue, submissions related to transfers are being moderated continuously and we're on top of that. In general terms, the Data Update is up to date and has not fallen behind. This is just my opinion, but I like to think that we keep on top of the submissions well and I think those that provide submissions regularly would hopefully agree.

It is also entirely correct that a new version is provided every 20 minutes and this has nothing to do with the length of the queue. All moderated submissions are included in the new version which is generated every 20 minutes, which includes transfers/contract updates, player ability submissions and newly-created players, as well as the dynamic player abilities that mean every save can be unique.

That is just going to be an oversight in the text on that particular page.

I can definitively confirm that there are Data Updates for both FM24 and FM26 (separate downloads) and that there is a free and enhanced version maintained for each game.

Subscribing to the Enhanced Data Update grants access to both versions for the duration of your subscription (an initial 12 months).

Just so there’s no feeling of mixed messages - I was incorrect, earlier, when I said the Data Update doesn’t update attributes. It does - what I meant to say is that it doesn’t provide a full conversion from FM26 dat. My apologies as that isn’t what I wrote - please take Footygamer‘s explanation as authoritative.

Just in case it helps you understand what to expect - the Data Update on this site doesn’t alter individual player attributes. It provides updates to CA/PA. It is driven through community submissions (mainly).

Likewise, whilst it provides a small amount of wage updates, this is not currently open for community contributions hence the numbers of such wage updates are very limited.

This may help to explain what you are seeing in the FM24 Data Update. There may be a more widespread update to wages in the future, but this is an area of the data that there isn’t always reliable information for online - which is partly why it’s not part of the community submission process. Many submissions would just guess/estimate, which is no more realistic and it would make moderation imprecise.

If you can provide an online source that publishes wages of players in the Turkish Super League - for example - I would be happy to include these in our update, though I would need a couple of weeks to tackle it all due to life/work commitments.

I think it is highly unlikely full, individual attributes via community submissions will ever be part of the Data Update. It would be very difficult to moderate something that is very subjective, not to mention time-consuming. It’s also important to note that FM24 is unique in the fact that it was the primary game for two years and is now continuing to be supported into a third year. Importing all of the data from FM26 is not a viable option for different reasons - some of which are based on legalities.

Try and start a game using only the Contracts and Player Attributes files, if you haven’t already. That’s what I’d do in your situation just to try and isolate the cause a bit more.

We have not heard widespread reports with the Data Update. I would estimate there are many thousands of people using it without reporting faults.

Unfortunately, it’s tricky to troubleshoot for me personally as I haven’t made the move to FM26. As a starting point, it might be worth trying to use just the ‘Contracts’ file without the other files - specifically, try and load without the individual nation files that are part of the update. It’s just about trying to isolate the issue.

The main ‘Contracts’ file doesn’t alter any league structures, which are more prone to causing hard crashes at specific points in the game. I’d start there.

We've got a long-overdue update for Greece almost ready to be integrated into the FM24 Data Update - which will bring the nation up-to-date for the 2025/26 season (and beyond).

Unfortunately, it isn't quite finished and I am off on holiday tomorrow morning…so the earliest it'll get wrapped up is around 25-26 February.

The reason he isn’t appearing in FM24 is because he doesn’t exist in that game’s DB. He was only introduced by Sports Interactive in FM26.

For him to appear, someone needs to submit him via our New Player Submissions form available via https://sortitoutsi.net/football-manager-data-update/attributes

Any community member can do this and everyone is encouraged to contribute.

The reason he isn’t appearing in FM24 is because he doesn’t exist in that game’s DB. He was only introduced by Sports Interactive in FM26.

For him to appear, someone needs to submit him via our New Player Submissions form available via https://sortitoutsi.net/football-manager-data-update/attributes

Any community member can do this and everyone is encouraged to contribute.

Once approved (usually within 24-48 hours of submission), he will appear in the FM24 Data Update.

I have just checked the latest version of the free FM24 Data Update and it appears to be working again. As such, I think this was probably a transactional/one-off error that ocurred during the automated creation of the file yesterday.

For clarity: the free Data Update automatically recreates once per day. Therefore, my recommendation would be to simply download the latest free FM24 Data Update, rather than try to go back to an older version, at this stage. Apologies to anyone inconvenienced by this.

Acknowledging - there is an issue in today's release of the free FM24 Data Update. Please see the following thread for a more detailed reply. An updated position will be shared in there as soon as we make progress.

https://sortitoutsi.net/comments/get/869491

@gjs93 @kediperest - acknowledging. I believe there is some level of corruption to the main file (that holds all of the transfers/contract changes) in the free version of the FM24 Data Update.

The enhanced FM24 Data Update does not have this issue, for whatever reason (that is not a sly encouragement to buy it). The Site Admin will need to tackle the issue, as that file is processed in an automated fashion and only he has access to the back-end data and systems. @Footygamer - there seems to be an issue with the ‘Contracts.fmf’ file in the free FM24 Data Update.

For those affected, all I can suggest for now is to rollback a day - previous releases are accessible via https://sortitoutsi.net/football-manager-data-update/releases.

The file is not picked up/recognised by either the game or the PGE, hence I suspect some level of corruption.

Can I please ask for a named, individual example of a transfer that isn't appearing in the latest update? Just to be absolutely precise: I would like a player's name.

This will allow me to look that specific player up and directly check the actual data to understand what is happening and establish whether there's been a regression of data, or some other cause.

A fix was pushed earlier today, targeting a resolution for the ‘incorrect staff roles’ that we have been seeing in the FM24 Data Update.

I have done some quick spot-checks and tests and I believe we are now in the correct state again. I must caveat that with the fact that I have only had a chance to check a few, individual examples.

From everything we could establish - including the examples, which have been very useful from those who shared them - we believe this was affecting non-playing staff who were originally playing staff (in the FM24.3 database). The result was that many of them were being set as first-team coaches (incorrectly).

Since the fix was pushed out, I am now correctly seeing non-playing staff in the correct roles in all cases I have been able to spot-check. Those with access to the Enhanced Data Update will have access to the resolved version right now, whilst those with access to the free Data Update may need to wait until the overnight release.

Apologies for the inconvenience this has caused - but I think it's been cracked now.

No worries at all - that ‘FM ID’ submission is, in fact, the way that you can indicate a duplicate. It is step #4 of the instructions in the opening post and it is done from the profile of the newly-created, duplicate player.

Essentially, we want to support the creation newly-created players who are in FM26 but not in FM24. To do this, we have a system whereby when a player is created who exists in FM26, by linking the created player to the ‘official’ FM26 version, we can then not have that player created in the FM26 Data Update, but still created in the FM24 Data Update. It also allows us to handle the rare cases where it is the other way around - they exist in FM24 but not in FM26.

In both of these cases, the newly-created versions of the players had mismatches in both the spelling of the name and the DOB and this is why the ‘duplicate checker’ system didn't spot it. I've just corrected the data and matched the IDs - so they should appear correctly in the next version of the Data Update.

Acknowledging your post - and, rest assured, we're aware of the issue. I'm pretty sure you're playing FM24, which is where we believe this issue is present.

Alas, this is a challenge that has been tricky to permanently resolve. What I can assure you is that it is not about there not being care taken around submissions approvals, or anything like that - in fact, it stems from a more fundamental position, which is that the range of Jobs in FM26 has changed (from FM24) and therefore trying to manage a single data-set that then feeds both Data Updates is what this boils down to.

You can see that it is not due to incorrect submissions data, as if you look up Colin Kazim-Richards (for example, via https://sortitoutsi.net/football-manager-data-update/person/5004690, he is correctly listed as ‘Coach (U18 Team)’. I don't want to simplify, or make this sound more straightforward than it is, but ultimately what is happening is that when that change fails, it defaults to ‘Coach First Team’ as you have observed.

The cause is something to do with the logical mappings/data structure differences between the two games (FM24 and FM26). I think the equivalent job/role in FM24 and in FM26 has a different back-end ID/enumeration in the database for each game, which results in things being misaligned. Where it probably gets nuanced/even more messy is that some of the FM26 job/role enumerations likely correspond to valid, but different, enumerations in FM24…which perhaps results in one job/role being selected but a different (non-default) one being applied.

At different points, the Site Admin has had it working (we believe), but I feel it may have recurred…and whether that is due to further changes by SI (perhaps triggered by an update), or somethig else, I am not sure.

There are two paid products/subscriptions, overall - one is the Premium Membership, which “gives access to faster downloads from our servers rather than having to use free mirrors.” This is the product that I can see is associated with your account.

The second is the Enhanced Data Update, which “gives you more than just transfers and promotions. It updates attributes throughout the game to make it play more realistically as well as Dynamic Data Files that make each save game unique. Plus it's updated every 20 minutes giving you live squads that reflect real life almost instantly.”

The quotes are taken from the respective descriptions of the products, available to see side-by-side if you browse to https://sortitoutsi.net/shop. From this page, you can also see the status of your currently-purchased subscriptions (and manage them accordingly in the Your Orders section of that page).

Irrespective of having access to either product/subscription, there are free alternatives - in the case of the Data Update, it is available further down the page. In the case of the Premium Membership, free mirrors are presented right near the bottom of the page.

The Data Update doesn't include pre-configured injuries to follow what is happening in real-life.

For the FM26 Data Update, the injuries will be ‘as they are’ in the official database.

For the FM24 Data Update, there is a file that purges all pre-configured injuries in the official database.

It would be pretty much impossible to maintain something reflecting real-life on a continuous basis related to injuries and, of course, as time passes it becomes difficult to keep things in-sync (i.e. you could only really reflect injuries to be present at the start of the game/season, which becomes less and less aligned to real-life as the season goes on).

Yeah, these are nothing more than typos/errant submissions slipping through the moderation process. I've approvedthe Keven Garrett one, now, so that should be taken care of.

I think the Jean Mambuku one is one of those scenarios where the front-end search isn't presenting the created player instance, thus it's a bit hard to ‘get to him’ to submit the change. We'll take care of it, one way or another.

The FM26 face pack is just a continuation of the same FM24 face pack.

The change in file naming conventions is something that was required to ensure things functioned in FM26 - however, those differently-named files will still work just fine when installed into FM24.

The solution for you is to purge your ‘FM24’ version that you have from previous downloads and replace it with the FM26 face pack entirely.

Those players are missing because they did not exist in the FM24.3 database and they don't currently have any active newly-created versions for the purpose of them appearing in FM24.

I know both Pogba and Skaarud, historically, were created, but their entries have been purged/deleted for whatever reason. I think the solution is for them to be re-created and then the FM ID linked (to prevent them showing twice in the FM26 Data Update).

There are two separate paid subscriptions/products available via the site. They provide access to different things.

One is the Premium Membership (which is what you have), which “gives access to faster downloads from our servers rather than having to use free mirrors.” With a Premium membership, when you post on the forum you will see that you have an orange ‘Premium’ indicator.

The second is the Enhanced Data Update, which “gives you more than just transfers and promotions. It updates attributes throughout the game to make it play more realistically as well as Dynamic Data Files that make each save game unique. Plus it's updated every 20 minutes giving you live squads that reflect real life almost instantly.”

The quotes in my post, above, are taken from the respective descriptions of the products, available to see side-by-side if you browse to https://sortitoutsi.net/shop. From this page, you can also see the status of your currently-purchased subscriptions (and manage them accordingly in the Your Orders section of that page).

Before you decide whether to go ahead and purchase the second product, please do be advised that irrespective of having access to either product/subscription, there are free alternatives - in the case of the Data Update, it is available further down the page. I appreciate the prompts for payment are quite ‘dominant’ on the page, but if you scroll down the free version is available. In the case of the Premium Membership (not relevant for you, as you're a Premium Member, but included for completeness), free mirrors are presented right near the bottom of the page.

Just wanted to acknowledge the post. With issues of this nature, I think the only person that can directly assist is @Footygamer, the primary Site Admin. I suspect - from experience - he will need to request some details from you, perhaps including the email address associated with the PayPal payment. However, please don't post those publicly, here - await his response/contact and go from there.

I've just had a quick look in the Pre-Game Editor and one obvious limitation is the fact that the Euro Coefficients can only be set up-to-and-including the 2022/23 season.

At a basic level, that would prevent a meaningful/accurate implementation for the ‘No Date Changes’ / future start date version.

I'll reply to both of you in a single post, though I think your specific circumstances are slightly different. The first thing to confirm, as an overarching position:

There are two separate paid subscriptions/products available via the site. One is the Premium Membership, which “gives access to faster downloads from our servers rather than having to use free mirrors.” With a Premium membership, when you post on the forum you will see that you have an orange ‘Premium’ indicator (which both of you do).

The second is the Enhanced Data Update, which “gives you more than just transfers and promotions. It updates attributes throughout the game to make it play more realistically as well as Dynamic Data Files that make each save game unique. Plus it's updated every 20 minutes giving you live squads that reflect real life almost instantly.”

The quotes in my post, above, are taken from the respective descriptions of the products, available to see side-by-side if you browse to https://sortitoutsi.net/shop. From this page, you can also see the status of your currently-purchased subscriptions (and manage them accordingly in the Your Orders section of that page).

@mudhutter - in your scenario, you have signed up to the Premium Membership but not the Enhanced Data Update, which is why the prompt to sign up appears when you go to the Data Update page.

Before you decide whether to go ahead and purchase the second product, please do be advised that irrespective of having access to either product/subscription, there are free alternatives - in the case of the Data Update, it is available further down the page. I appreciate the prompts for payment are quite ‘dominant’ on the page, but if you scroll down the free version is available. In the case of the Premium Membership (not relevant for you, as you're a Premium Member, but included for completeness), free mirrors are presented right near the bottom of the page.

@V1P3R-4K - you appear to have an active subscription to both products and therefore I would not expect you to be getting prompted. I know that there have been occasions where the site hasn't reconciled the payment status/membership status, so this could be one of those situations. My only option is to tag the Site Admin, who has access to the back-end and can help resolve any such issue. @Footygamer - one to take a look at here.

Unfortunately, I don't personally have any additional access (other than to see the factual status of your membership), so I cannot directly assist any further. But I wanted to give you (both) an acknowledgement from the staff team all the same.

I've noticed that you've posted about this in a couple of the threads - apologies, I haven't had a chance to reply in any of those other areas.

Broadly speaking, I agree it would be great to reflect the coefficients over the past two years - because with the Data Update, the purpose is to reflect reality. However, in terms of including this in the Data Update officially, there's a bit of planning and some considerations we'd need to make.

For example, in the ‘standard’ method of using the Data Update (which retains a start year of 2023 in-game), what we'd need to do is offset all of the historical records and then append 2023/24 and 2024/25 (represented in-game by 2021/22 and 2022/2023) accordingly.

Conversely, to support the same exercise for the ‘No Date Changes’ update (which I will assume you are using, alongside a custom, future start date to enable a 2025 start in-game), the activity is similar but without offsetting the historical records. So it is just a case of adding the new records in.

Theoretically, both of these scenarios would work (I think). However, how much work is involved in making the files (manually) or even making the files (systematically/automatically) is the unknown.

My assumption is that UEFA (or some other official source) maintain a published list of the values, which would at least give us a data source to start from. Having had a quick look at the UEFA website, it does seem like the records are pretty comprehensive.