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This post is not really appropriate. We cannot endorse or support requesting the community to share sensitive information, such as login details.

I appreciate your intentions are likely to be honest, but it still contravenes the spirit of things.

Thanks for flagging these - I have now reconciled the duplicates and linked the players, meaning that they should appear (only once) in each of FM24 and FM26 when using the Data Update.

Before you buy the In-Game Editor (which I assume is what you're referring to), I'd recommend just validating that everything works as expected. Using the IGE to correct things in an existing save is, in my opinion, an extreme (and unnecessary) measure. Even if you take that action for your current save, when you start a new save - assuming you keep the same file list - you'll likely have the same result.

The Data Update on this site works perfectly, as long as it is used in a compatible context. In reality, it is compatible with many, many other community downloads - but not all.

The first thing I'd do in your position is spend a little time to establish a ‘core’ set of files you want to use. Assuming that includes the Data Update from this site, start by having only that installed/activated and just verify you're getting the expected experience. One thing to note is that the Data Update is designed to be used with the Original game mode. If you use one of the other options (Real World or Your World), you'll find oddities with the transfers.

Once you get that far, then bolt back on any other custom database files you might be using. Test again. If you encounter the same problem, it becomes a case of identifying which file(s) are incompatible with each other. As a simple rule, you shouldn't use anything that updates People records alongside the Data Update - there should be no need to use a separate transfer update, or new wonderkids, file.

Generally speaking, custom databases that add new playable nations are compatible (assuming they are not updating nations the Data Update also updates). Custom databases that expand already-playable nations are also typically compatible, but you simply need to make a choice to use either the Data Update file for that nation or the custom database. In the Data Update, each nation has its own file in the format of “sortitoutsi.net FM24 Data Update - Nation (League).fmf”.

If you want, share screenshots that show a list of all of the contents of your ‘editor data’ folder and I can take a look and try to advise more specifically.

Please note: as an aside, I amended your initial post to (a) remove the file you linked and (b) convert this into a discussion.

Just to confirm - are you being prompted, specifically, when you try to download the Data Update? If so, that prompt is for access to the Enhanced Data Update, which is a separate product from the Premium Membership for the website.

There are two paid products/subscriptions, overall - one is the Premium Membership, which “gives access to faster downloads from our servers rather than having to use free mirrors.”

The second is the Enhanced Data Update, which “gives you more than just transfers and promotions. It updates attributes throughout the game to make it play more realistically as well as Dynamic Data Files that make each save game unique. Plus it's updated every 20 minutes giving you live squads that reflect real life almost instantly.”

The quotes are taken from the respective descriptions of the products, available to see side-by-side if you browse to https://sortitoutsi.net/shop. From this page, you can also see the status of your currently-purchased subscriptions (and manage them accordingly in the Your Orders section of that page).

Irrespective of having access to either product/subscription, there are free alternatives - in the case of the Data Update, it is available further down the page. In the case of the Premium Membership, free mirrors are presented right near the bottom of the page.

Appreciate I'm replying to one of you, but the above is also relevant for the previous poster, @onlineloser, hence tagging them here. Albeit I think their account is ‘the other way around’ (i.e. they have the Data Update, but not Premium).

I am not able to replicate this. I have downloaded the latest version, earlier today, and started a new game. He shows up in FC Porto, which is in-line with what the data on the website shows too.

https://sortitoutsi.net/football-manager-data-update/no-date-changes-data-update works for me as a URL to go directly to the ‘No Date Changes’ version of the update, as it always has.

@Dazi21 @disnemar - are you sure you just aren't mistaking it for the ‘normal’ update because the pages look pretty similar? If you're a subscriber to the Enhanced Data Update, you'll also get an ‘enhanced’ version of the No Date Changes update.

On https://sortitoutsi.net/football-manager-data-update/no-date-changes-data-update, you should see that there is are two light-blue banners near the top of the page. One labelled ‘No Date Changes Data Data Update’ and one labelled ‘Not Recommended’. These are good signs that you're not on the page for the normal update.

In addition, you'll only see an option for an FM24 download. On the main update, you'll see both FM26 and FM24. This is another good differentiator.

Finally, the actual download will be named sortitoutsi.net FM24 Data Update - Live No Date.zip, which is distinct from the main update (which doesn't have ‘No Date’ on the end).

All in all, I am highly-confident that the ‘No Date Changes’ version of the update is available as expected.

Unfortunately, that's not a capability that exists (at least for now). It's somewhat complex, especially when we are talking about clubs that would become of playable divisions, or any division that - in the game - has a ruleset associated with it.

Much of the complexity comes from the fact that creating the entry is just part of the story. Integrating them into the right division and the re-shuffle required of all other teams is where things become complicated. Missing clubs are typically created as part of the individual nation files that are included in the update - this is the best way we are able to do this, because in that same file we can also control any moving around of other teams in the relevant nation's divisions.

The overall ability to create new, missing clubs is something that's on the potential enhancements list - but there is no timeline associated with bringing that to life, to be honest.

It's no bother - I'd rather it was a false-positive and not that the fault/issue has actually returned! Happy gaming.

This was an issue that was impacting both the FM24 and FM26 Data Update not too long ago (due to a back-end processing issue). Specifically, it was impacting versions released between 16th - 18th January. Believed to be fixed since then.

I can see you have re-downloaded the Data Update more recently than that - is your report based on using the latest version you've downloaded? I have cross-checked the latest version, just now, and am seeing the players all have the correct nationalities in the Pre-Game Editor.

The Seychelles nation acts as a proxy allowing for the ‘real-life today’ start date. You don’t need it if you want to start from the start of this season. It’s used to start from ‘today’ (or the closest possible), so at the moment 5th January 2026.

I believe this is because that club was not in  the FM24 database. They have only been introduced by the FM26 database…thus, there is no club record for them to attach to in the FM24 Data Update.

Just wanted to provide a reply and acknowledge your post. Unfortunately, only the Site Admin is able to assist with anything related to financial transactions - as such, I am tagging him here to draw his attention to the post. @Footygamer - can you help here, please?

The Site Admin took steps to correct the issues in the No Date Changes version of the update. It is successfully being re-processed since yesterday and should now be available for use. It is accessible via https://sortitoutsi.net/football-manager-data-update/no-date-changes-data-update

The Site Admin took steps to correct the issues in the No Date Changes version of the update. It is successfully being re-processed since yesterday and should now be available for use. It is accessible via https://sortitoutsi.net/football-manager-data-update/no-date-changes-data-update

Josef, I wanted to provide a reply as I can see that you've been putting plenty of effort in and I just want to assure you that it doesn't go unnoticed and it is really appreciated.

I note in one of your earlier posts you referred to a few things, so let me address those as best I can:

1. Regarding your new player submissions - the reason your attempts are all coming back as ‘Invalid’ is because you have failed to indicate at least one ‘natural’ Position for the players you've been submitting. To be a valid submission, at least one Position must have a value of 20 (which is the definition for a player being ‘natural’ at that Position). I would welcome/encourage you to re-submit those players you've attempted with this extra detail and they should then be able to be moderated and approved.
    
2. As far as expanding the footballing pyramid in Czechia, it is a little more complex/abstracted from the website than you might imagine. The website itself only shows data for clubs who are in the official Football Manager database. Building expanded footballing pyramids from any nation is possible - and we have done that for some nations, such as Albania, Belgium & others, which do include newly-created clubs - but integrating the newly-created clubs into the website data isn't possible at the moment.

Can I check - are you primarily requesting that the website data introduces the lower divisions, or that these are made to be playable in-game? Or both? Also, just to confirm, this is with FM26 in mind, or FM24 (or both)?

We will revisit it to get it working, yes - however, it isn't created via traditional/manual methods. In this particular case, it is more likely that the structure of the data is corrupted/invalid, so it isn't being recognised by either the game or the Pre-Game Editor at all. As such, it isn't possible to ‘verify’ it via those tools directly.

The Site Admin will investigate when his time allows and we will look to correct whatever has gone wrong.

@decio luz @marcodoglio94 @Lugui & others: I think we have a fairly fundamental issue with the ‘No Date Changes’ file as it stands. I don't actually think the main file ('No Date Changes Contracts.fmf') is being recognised by the game (which would explain why there's no actual transfers/loans in place when attempting to use it).

I don't know any of the technical details behind this at this stage - but evidently there is something that needs to be adjusted. Please bear with us.

Apologies - that is a typo on my part. It included the full-stop after the link as part of the clickable link, causing it to direct to a non-existent page.

The correct link is now in the original post and is this one: https://sortitoutsi.net/football-manager-data-update/no-date-changes-data-update

These are two slightly different scenarios and have slightly different solutions, as a result.

With the loaning club taking on the wages - I will leave @Footygamer to respond as there may be something more complex that needs to be done.

With the ‘loans-into-transfers’ scenario (e.g. Kokcu & Abraham) - the submitted data, at present, doesn't reflect these. In order for those players to move to the loaning club permanently, the ‘Future Transfer’ information needs to also include the ‘Future Club’. I took a quick look and Kokcu & Abraham both have the other details filled out, but not the ‘Future Club’. That is why that permanent transfer isn't guaranteed to take place in-game.

Now, I don't actually think that is due to the community having submitted incomplete data, as the original data shows these were configured to take place. So I suspect something has gone wrong in the import of data to the site. @Footygamer - this may be one that we need to address to ‘put right’ all such future transfers.

For those following progress (and for everyone, generally) - the issue with second and third nationalities is also now believed to be resolved. It should be available for Enhanced Data Update subscribers as of now. For all others, it should be available with the next daily update.

In addition, all newly-created players are now contained in a separate file named ‘sortitoutsi.net FM24 Data Update - New People.fmf’ and are no longer part of the ‘sortitoutsi.net FM24 Data Update - Contracts.fmf’ file. Therefore, for those after the modularity of choosing not to use the ~20,000 newly-created players, you have that option.

We are actively working to tackle the subset of players who have retired, in real-life, within the last 1-2 years but who have also been removed from the FM26 database. Currently, these players appear as active players in the FM24 Data Update (high-profile examples include Toni Kroos & Marcelo). We hope to tackle this in the coming days.

Additionally, the ‘No Date Changes’ version of the update is now back alive again and available via https://sortitoutsi.net/football-manager-data-update/no-date-changes-data-update. It is now setup to automatically update, as with the main Data Update, so it should not fall out-of-sync again. This is a stripped-down version of the FM24 Data Update that does not apply any promotions/relegations, nor does it offset any player ages or contract lengths. It is typically used by those who want to pair it with ‘future start date’ mods that fast-forward the in-game start date to Summer or Winter 2025. Broadly speaking, it isn't recommended for your typical user.

Finally, work continues to update the playable nations in FM24 and FM26 where leagues have concluded. These will continue to be added to the Data Updates as they are ready.

@Lugui @decio luz & any others who have been seeking updates regarding the ‘No Date Changes’ version of the update. I appreciate this is not the official thread for the update, but I know that those using these future start date files may prefer the use of the ‘No Date Changes’ version.

The Site Admin has re-worked it and it is now live again. It is available via https://sortitoutsi.net/football-manager-data-update/no-date-changes-data-update and has been configured to auto-update (like the main update), so we shouldn't fall into this stagnant situation again.

Of course, this has just been reactivated so we would appreciate feedback to verify everything is working as it should be.

Typically, it doesn't need a new update to this file - but it does require for this to be reinstalled/reapplied. The updates from SI typically overwrite, or reinstate, some of the files that this real name fix replaces.

As a first port-of-call, re-download the current version and reinstall it (including the steps that ask to delete certain base-game files). That is usually sufficient to get things working again.

Edit: Although, on this occasion, perhaps a new version was needed…which has promptly been released.

Sorry to have missed this post the first time around.

The FM24 Data Update (and, indeed, the FM26 Data Update) provides an updated football world, with all player transfers and staff movements that have happened in real-life reflected in the game.

The update also adds many, many new players to the game - mostly youth players who were not in the official FM24 database. The number is about 20,000.

In addition, the FM24 Data Update provides updated promotions/relegations and league structures for most of the playable nations. Not all are completed yet - but we're working on those we haven't updated.

Using the update, when you start a game of FM24, you'll still start with an in-game date in 2023, but all the players and staff will be at their current, real-life clubs and the teams will be in the divisions as though it is the start of the 2025/26 season. That's the basic principle.

The enhanced version of the update also provides CA/PA updates for many, many players, to try and reflect the abilities of players who have developed in real-life. Essentially, it tries to replicate the current footballing world on a continuous basis. It is driven by community-submitted updates and we have a healthy community of people who do so - which is how it stays updated, on a global basis, continuously.

A quick update on the Data Update - specifically an update with respect to certain bugs:

1. The issue that was causing all newly-created players to be English has been resolved. This fault existed between 16-01-2025 and 18-01-2025. Both the FM24 and FM26 Data Update should now reflect the correct, primary nationality for all players, on both the free and enhanced versions.
    
2. The issue with all national teams being without managers has been resolved. Likewise, this fault existed between 16-01-2025 and 18-01-2025. National teams should now reflect the manager status correctly on both the free and enhanced versions of the update.

Apologies for the disruption caused by these bugs.

In the process of cross-checking that the above have been resolved, I have noticed that (in FM24 at least), second and third nationalities of newly-created players are not being picked up. I have flagged this internally and we will investigate. I am not sure if this is a new bug, or has existed for some time.
 

We are also looking at the best way to tackle the retirements of players that took place during the last couple of seasons - specifically, those personnel who have, as a result of retirement, been removed by SI from the FM26 database. High-profile examples include Marcelo and Toni Kroos.

If I recall correctly, that was the (fairly) nuanced one where he wasn't in the 24.3 database but was in an earlier FM24 database.

As far as I am aware, we haven't made any changes to the logic so I think he will continue to not be created in the FM24 Data Update. It's still on the to-do list.

We've been focused on tackling more fundamental challenges that have cropped up recently, unfortunately.

I’ll interject - just because I know @leftfoot is referring to a longer list of lower league managers from Wales/NI who are not aligned to their real-life clubs.

I suspect the root-cause is that SI have either dropped some of those clubs from the database for FM26, or these staff members have job-shares and so SI prioritise their jobs at the bigger club.

This is, ultimately, one of those things we have to manage due to the pivot across to the FM26 database as our ‘baseline’. I don’t think it’s a data-processing bug as such - but errant data that needs correcting via submissions.

The other part relates to international managerial vacancies - which I have flagged to you in our staff forum. I am not sure if the fix you pushed for nationalities also contained the fix for that issue. Happy to discuss is separately and get under the skin of the outstanding issues in the next 24 hours, if that would help.

On the first point, if that is the case - then yes. I would really encourage you (or anyone else) to make those submissions. This Data Update has - and always will be - about the community actively providing submissions. So if this is an area of world football you keep in touch with/are familiar with, your contributions would be greatly appreciated to correct any data that is outdated/incorrect.

As for your query around those vacant positions being filled - that's just the way the in-game simulation is going about its business. If they're vacancies, they could theoretically appoint someone. Of course, the teams in question will be low reputation and, probably, in inactive divisions so they are way down the pecking order for AI appointments, I suppose. But our Data Update has no bearing on that, unfortunately.

Thanks for these. I will have a look and see if I can identify the commonality here. I suspect, one way or another, these will all fall into the challenges we have with non-playing staff in the ‘handling FM24 & FM26 together’ ecosystem.

Having had an initial look at the examples, I have a feeling they fall into a couple of ‘categories’ in terms of the cause. Daniel Carlisle & Daniel Sheehan, for example, appear to be have roles with women's teams in FM26. As these teams are in not in FM24, they become free agents. That may not reflect real-life, but in terms of logically being handled by the Data Update, it is doing the expected thing. There's nothing in the data linking them to Swansea University and PSNI, respectively. Perhaps this one needs someone to make a submission to correct his current, real-life role.

Craig Dale & Tony Wallis, likewise, are set to be Free Agents. Again, this may not reflect reality, in which case a submission to correct it should put things right.

Now, in terms of why these personnel are now incorrect - it stems from SI's own database. Even for the FM24 Data Update, the starting point is the latest FM26 database. So if SI have set Daniel Carlisle as the manager of the Larne Women's team, then we take that as the position of fact. Any community submission that is approved will alter that - but there have been no such submissions made. There could be some nuance to the fact that they can only be staff members associated with one club at a time and so, in the case of Daniel Carlisle & Daniel Sheehan, SI have prioritised their roles with Larne Women and Swansea City Women respectively. As for the two free agents, I can't say why they are free agents if they are, in fact, at the clubs you mention in real-life, unless those clubs are not in FM26, in which case SI's decision to make them ‘free agents’ is logical.

I don't think this particular fault has been in the Data Update that long. In fact, it was specifically introduced during 16th January, at around 20:00 GMT. I know this because I am fairly confident that the cause of this error being introduced was a piece of work conducted by the Site Admin to tackle another fairly prominent error - which was causing about 15,000 players to have their CA/PA randomised.

Unfortunately, because the cause of the current issue (the nationality issue) is something to do with the way the automated data processing works, the staff team are reliant on the support of the Site Admin to help resolve it. Given it is the weekend, it is highly likely this will have to wait until at least tomorrow to be addressed. That's not an excuse, just a practical reality.

Again, I can only apologise for the inconvenience. In terms of an immediate workaround, the best/only thing I can suggest is to retrieve the version of the Data Update from 16th January 2025 from https://sortitoutsi.net/football-manager-data-update/releases (specifically, V5208 for FM24.3 or V70 for FM26.0) and use the ‘Contracts.fmf’ file (only) from that version.

This will mean that any people changes (transfers, contracts and newly-created players) from the past 48 hours will be updated, but the nationality bug will be gone. If you use the ‘Contracts.fmf' file from that version alongside all other files from the latest version, you should have a version of the update that does not have the nationality issue, nor the randomised CA/PA issue I mentioned earlier. As I say, it's a workaround - but it's the only thing I can suggest for right now.

I personally do as much as I am able, as often as I am able, to help move data issues forward quickly - but there is a limit to what I can do and where there is a requirement for others to also help, we need to be mindful that they will have other life responsibilities so we cannot get to everything immediately.

I'm aware that the ‘No Date Changes’ update continues to remain static (i.e. non-updated) and it is regrettable, because we do know those who want to use ‘real results’ with future start dates want to do so in conjunction with that version of the update.

Unfortunately, the thing that I can't do is provide a timeline (even estimated) because, at this time, only the site admin can produce that update. The process to update it used to be part of the staff team's daily routine - however, with the automation of the main update, the ‘No Date Changes’ update fell by the wayside.

I will flag it to the team to see if we can get a renewed version of the update pushed out and then see if there is a way to reintroduce it so it is updated on a more systematic basis - I don't know what the possibilities are on that front.

The reason it has not been updated, in my view, is that over the past weeks/months (specifically, since the launch of FM26), we have been tackling - fairly continuously - a variety of challenges associated with managing the main updates for both games. It has, genuinely, been challenging - as there are nuanced data differences, as well as an unpredictable series of updates made by SI for FM26 - which has kept us (but mainly the Site Admin) very busy.

In particular, handling non-playing staff has been quite a challenge - because SI altered some of the data associated with those. As we have to produce both updates from the single source of data that the website uses, accounting for all of those differences is complex. I appreciate that isn't anything to do with the ‘No Date Changes’ update directly, but I just wanted to provide an explanation/justification as to why this has become deprioritised recently.