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That looks terrible.
Be awesome if Andy O'Brien was in the statue somehow.
Shola
And the statue was this.
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The big fucking German
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It's like a bad dream.
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After Birmingham it would probably still be a defeat ffs.
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To be fair, the response to City's defeat was some real clasping at straws stuff. Over the two legs 4-1 flattered City, but the media are REALLY trying to make out that it was close.
I'd suggest it's mostly because the narrative of City 'the best team in the world' in the 'best league in the world' being smashed by La Liga's 3rd placed team doesn't quite suit the narrative of the Premier League's hegemony.
bluemoon.
I wasn't really disagreeing with that (though as I recall after the respective 1st legs, City got panned and Arsenal got the 'heroic failure' treatment) it was the general tone of it, that I think is ridiculous. Arsenal don't always get the best press but no more than anyone else really.
Yeah, it's a bit of an odd claim.
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From the say writer a day apart. I don't see why we're due in for more stick than them.
bluemoon.
That depends entirely on you listen to/read. I heard more than a few journalists saying we were done but Arsenal had a chance. It's all opinions.
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The fact is that Bayern are the best side in the world right now and going into these ties Manchester City were in better form than us. That's indisputable. We always had a harder job than your lot but we have gotten more stick than City.
If we going into more subjective areas of debate then I would argue given the money that has been spent on your squad and the players you have, you should have done a better job against Barcelona than you ended up doing. Losing 4-1 on aggregate isn't reflective of how good City have been for the majority of this season.
It just baffles me how we were roundly slaughtered despite drawing our game in the hardest place to visit in Europe whilst City's defeat was branded valiant and brave. I know it's not everyone saying that but Henry Winter's posts sum up what I feel has been an unfair media reaction to our elimination.
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I don't particularly but it's still frustrating to read articles that criticize the team I support at a level that I don't feel is justified. All fans feel defensive about their own teams when they feel they are being unjustly criticized.
bluemoon.
Except that's very much disputable. Of our last three games before the First Leg we lost one, drew one and won one, Arsenal's record was the same.. On top of that we were missing a number of our most important players (Aguero and Fernandinho). We weren't in much better form between the Second Leg and the First, we scraped two narrow wins and lost to Wigan whereas Arsenal had two 4-1 wins and a 1-0 loss against Stoke.
Again that's subjective and again, no you haven't. You've gotten more stick from some people. Stop treating the opinions of one or two journalists as the opinions of all people.
And I would argue that with 16 successive years of Champions League football under one manager, Arsenal and Arsene Wenger are better suited to the pressure of facing teams like Bayern and Barcelona than City with their relatively new manager and only in their third season of Champions League football, and with the players at their disposal (Cazorla, Ozil, Wilshere, Koscielny, the BFG) they should have done better. Similarly I would say that a 3-1 aggregate loss doesn't reflect the standard to which Arsenal have played for the majority of the season.
City's defeat wasn't roundly declared as valiant and brave though - apart from by a section of the media who consistently label away failures by British teams as valiant and brave - Did you miss the aftermath of the First Leg? Pellegrini was slaughtered for picking the 'donkey' Demichelis, decried for picking a 'defensive' team and even criticised for not starting James Milner who wasn't even fit enough to start.
Frankly this just invalidates your whole argument.
tl;dr: Some people criticised Arsenal, some people criticised City. Stop talking as if everybody lionised City and bitched about Arsenal, because that's not what happened and you're just making yourself sound paranoid.