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Could've picked a better pose.
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Wait, was there no massive pole up his arse in the original?!
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They could have had like a concrete block underneath him with a plaque on or something

That looks terrible.

Be awesome if Andy O'Brien was in the statue somehow.
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http://www.nufc.co.uk/javaImages/c4/4e/0,,10278~11095748,00.jpg

And the statue was this.
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That's brilliant.
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Bayern (a)
Spurs (a)
Chelsea (a)
Swansea (h)
Man City (h)
Everton (a)
Man City (n)
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Bayern (a)
Spurs (a)
Chelsea (a)
Swansea (h)
Man City (h)
Everton (a)
Man City (n)

It's like a bad dream.
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Maybe a point at Tottenham and a win against Swansea, rest will probably be defeats.
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Replace that 2nd City game with Wigan
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Replace that 2nd City game with Wigan


After Birmingham it would probably still be a defeat ffs.
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How many of those games will Ozil miss? Not that he's been much chop recently.
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Very possibly the FA cup semi final.
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Finally he's fit enough to make the squad against Tottenham this weekend.

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What a difference 24 hours makes? On Wednesday, the English press’s response to Arsenal being knocked out of the Champions League, and Mesut Ozil going off at half time with a hamstring injury was a negative one…

“Same old story as Arsenal crash out of Champions League”

“Lost and lazy Ozil…he’s nicking a living”

A day later, Manchester City got knocked out of the Champions League, Sergio Aguero went off at half time with a hamstring injury, and the press completely turned their negative Arsenal stories into positive Manchester City ones…

“Brave City Bow Out”

“Hamstring Dramas for Aguero”

The differing response to both games is an interesting one.

Arsenal drew away from home to the current European Champion’s, who currently sit 20 points clear of the Bundesliga. Manchester City lost 2-1 away from home to a side who themselves lost 7-0 on aggregate to last years European Champions, who currently sit 3rd in their domestic league.

Both sides are out, both had their red card controversies, and both sides were comprehensively passed off the pitch. So why the differing opinions by the British press?

The Guardian opens with “The Champions League is a tough, unforgiving competition” to make it clear that Man City going out was not a disaster, but “a reminder about the brutalities of football at the highest level.” Twice knocked out of the group stages, this year Manchester City did not make it past the first knock out stage. Why did the press decide to describe them as brave, whilst saying Arsenal’s was ‘Same old story’?

The Aguero/Ozil situation also highlights a clear bias in the presses thinking. Both got injured very early on in the 1st half and were taking off after half time. Aguero has been commended for battling through the 1st half and trying to do his best for the time. Whilst Ozil has been described as not only lost and lazy, but much worse. Ex Arsenal player turned pundit, John Hartson, even went as far as questioning the injury by saying Ozil needs to “re-asses whether he actually wants to play for Arsenal.”

A lot was made of Mesut Ozil’s first half contribution in the press. “21 touches of the ball” was the sole statistic used to highlight how poor he was. Meanwhile, Brave, strong Sergio Aguero had 6 touches of the ball, none of which were in the opponents box, attempted 3 passes, completing just 1, and that was at kick off. If any player should have been described as ‘Lost and Lazy’ it was Sergio Aguero.

So why the differing view?

For a long time, the press have been anti-Arsenal. Yes, every club will claim the press, or certain journalists, are anti-their club. But in Arsenal’s case, they have a point. From TalkSport’s ‘Daily Arsenal’, to Match of the Day’s continually mocking of Arsene Wenger, the written press are probably the worst for being biased against Arsenal.

In the late 90′s/early 00′s, Arsenal had a poor disciplinary record. Recently, Arsenal got their 100th red card. A lot was made of it. But little was made of Arsenal continually topping the fair play league over the last 10 years.

After the poor discipline, the next stick the press used to bash Arsenal as that of being ‘softies’. This highlights the rank hypocrisy of the British press. One moment they are having a go at Arsenal for being too rough, the next they are moaning about being too soft.

The foreign agenda that the press had also got up my noise. Whilst Arsenal were going unbeaten, with a perfect disciplinary record, the press continually highlighted our lack of English players. The agenda peaked during our Champions League run of 2006 when Alan Pardew proclaimed in his newspaper column that Arsenal were not an English side. No mention was made of other top clubs (Chelsea, Liverpool, Manchester United, Tottenham) not producing an England regular since the 90s, nor is it ever mentioned that it was Liverpool who played once played an FA Cup Final without a single Englishman in the line up – 1985/86.

A final example is the Arsenal trophy drought. Is any other clubs ‘lack of trophies’ mentioned as much as Arsenal? I can be watching Blackpool v Blackburn, and they will mention it. In every written article about Arsenal, it is mentioned. Yet what of Everton’s trophy drought? What of Aston Villa’s? Why do they not talk about the last time Tottenham or Liverpool won the league? It is getting quiet clear that there is an anti-Arsenal agenda in the press. But Why?

The traditional English press was based in Fleet Street. Fans of West Ham and Tottenham made up their majority. The only thing they could agree on was bashing Arsenal. It is often why still, even now, West Ham and Spurs get an easy ride on the press. Moving on to the spoken press, there is a massive North-West bias. The majority of BBC, ITV, Sky and BT Sport pundits come have associations with either Manchester United or Liverpool. The 3rd most represented club is Tottenham. It creates a situation were negativity about other clubs is suppressed, whilst the likes of MOTD, with their ex-Liverpool and Tottenham line up bash Arsenal. Alan Hansen has never quite got over 1989. Why are there so many Scousers working as pundits these days?

And of course, the press also do not want to upset Liverpool or Manchester united, as both have previously restricted access or refused to buy publications of those who do.

Taking biased journalism aside, there is another reason so much is written about Arsenal.

Arsenal fans, over and above any other club, are media hungry. A phone-in about Arsenal on a radio station gets the most call ins. A back page about Arsenal gets the most readers. A headline on a website about Arsenal gets the most hits. we have more blogs then any other club. We have more podcasts then any other club. Chances are you were linked to this blog through a news aggregators – Arsenal has the most, or twitter – Arsenal have the most followers, or Facebook – Arsenal have the most likes. The fact is, you, we, are part of the problem. If we did not read, listen, watch as much, less would be written. Is it our higher level of education that causes this (Spurs fans can’t read so do not buy papers)? Or is it that due to the bashing, we fight back, through phone-ins, through blogs.

The media is biased against Arsenal. This bias reared its ugly head once more in the response to Arsenal and Manchester City going out of the Champions League. If you do not believe there is a bias, buy a paper, go online, read the articles, and judge for yourself.
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Whoever wrote that is really, really paranoid.
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Lee Dixon, Martin Keown, Ian Wright, Paul Merson, Alan Smith, Charlie Nicholas, Brian Marwood and David O'Leary are ex players i can think of off the top of my head are involved in some way with the major football coverage throughout a season. No idea how he comes to the conclusion that we're not in the majority of pundits as i've always thought we had the most.
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Whoever wrote that is really, really paranoid.


To be fair, the response to City's defeat was some real clasping at straws stuff. Over the two legs 4-1 flattered City, but the media are REALLY trying to make out that it was close.

I'd suggest it's mostly because the narrative of City 'the best team in the world' in the 'best league in the world' being smashed by La Liga's 3rd placed team doesn't quite suit the narrative of the Premier League's hegemony.
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To be fair, the response to City's defeat was some real clasping at straws stuff. Over the two legs 4-1 flattered City, but the media are REALLY trying to make out that it was close.

I wasn't really disagreeing with that (though as I recall after the respective 1st legs, City got panned and Arsenal got the 'heroic failure' treatment) it was the general tone of it, that I think is ridiculous. Arsenal don't always get the best press but no more than anyone else really.

Lee Dixon, Martin Keown, Ian Wright, Paul Merson, Alan Smith, Charlie Nicholas, Brian Marwood and David O'Leary are ex players i can think of off the top of my head are involved in some way with the major football coverage throughout a season. No idea how he comes to the conclusion that we're not in the majority of pundits as i've always thought we had the most.

Yeah, it's a bit of an odd claim.
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I'd say the shitty refs also accounted for the "brave" City stuff. As there was more controversy, whereas the Arsenal game was a bit more boring.
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I don't think there's an agenda going on but the comparison of reactions to the Arsenal and City games it was pretty frustrating to read. We drew with the best side in the world in their own backyard and got roundly criticized - Ozil, who was injured from the second minute, was accused of 'nicking a living' - whereas City got off scott free. Given how much money they've spent I think they were more deserving of criticism than we were. We were always expected to go out and it was roundly accepted City actually had a good shot of beating this Barcelona side.

https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/t1/48112_619626161444299_1853762897_n.jpg

From the say writer a day apart. I don't see why we're due in for more stick than them.
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I don't think there's an agenda going on but the comparison of reactions to the Arsenal and City games it was pretty frustrating to read. We drew with the best side in the world in their own backyard and got roundly criticized - Ozil, who was injured from the second minute, was accused of 'nicking a living' - whereas City got off scott free. Given how much money they've spent I think they were more deserving of criticism than we were. We were always expected to go out and it was roundly accepted City actually had a good shot of beating this Barcelona side.

That depends entirely on you listen to/read. I heard more than a few journalists saying we were done but Arsenal had a chance. It's all opinions.
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That depends entirely on you listen to/read. I heard more than a few journalists saying we were done but Arsenal had a chance. It's all opinions.

The fact is that Bayern are the best side in the world right now and going into these ties Manchester City were in better form than us. That's indisputable. We always had a harder job than your lot but we have gotten more stick than City.

If we going into more subjective areas of debate then I would argue given the money that has been spent on your squad and the players you have, you should have done a better job against Barcelona than you ended up doing. Losing 4-1 on aggregate isn't reflective of how good City have been for the majority of this season.

It just baffles me how we were roundly slaughtered despite drawing our game in the hardest place to visit in Europe whilst City's defeat was branded valiant and brave. I know it's not everyone saying that but Henry Winter's posts sum up what I feel has been an unfair media reaction to our elimination.
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I don't particularly but it's still frustrating to read articles that criticize the team I support at a level that I don't feel is justified. All fans feel defensive about their own teams when they feel they are being unjustly criticized.
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The fact is that Bayern are the best side in the world right now and going into these ties Manchester City were in better form than us. That's indisputable. We always had a harder job than your lot but we have gotten more stick than City.

Except that's very much disputable. Of our last three games before the First Leg we lost one, drew one and won one, Arsenal's record was the same.. On top of that we were missing a number of our most important players (Aguero and Fernandinho). We weren't in much better form between the Second Leg and the First, we scraped two narrow wins and lost to Wigan whereas Arsenal had two 4-1 wins and a 1-0 loss against Stoke.

Again that's subjective and again, no you haven't. You've gotten more stick from some people. Stop treating the opinions of one or two journalists as the opinions of all people.

If we going into more subjective areas of debate then I would argue given the money that has been spent on your squad and the players you have, you should have done a better job against Barcelona than you ended up doing. Losing 4-1 on aggregate isn't reflective of how good City have been for the majority of this season.

And I would argue that with 16 successive years of Champions League football under one manager, Arsenal and Arsene Wenger are better suited to the pressure of facing teams like Bayern and Barcelona than City with their relatively new manager and only in their third season of Champions League football, and with the players at their disposal (Cazorla, Ozil, Wilshere, Koscielny, the BFG) they should have done better. Similarly I would say that a 3-1 aggregate loss doesn't reflect the standard to which Arsenal have played for the majority of the season.

It just baffles me how we were roundly slaughtered despite drawing our game in the hardest place to visit in Europe whilst City's defeat was branded valiant and brave. I know it's not everyone saying that but Henry Winter's posts sum up what I feel has been an unfair media reaction to our elimination.

City's defeat wasn't roundly declared as valiant and brave though - apart from by a section of the media who consistently label away failures by British teams as valiant and brave - Did you miss the aftermath of the First Leg? Pellegrini was slaughtered for picking the 'donkey' Demichelis, decried for picking a 'defensive' team and even criticised for not starting James Milner who wasn't even fit enough to start.

Frankly this just invalidates your whole argument.

tl;dr: Some people criticised Arsenal, some people criticised City. Stop talking as if everybody lionised City and bitched about Arsenal, because that's not what happened and you're just making yourself sound paranoid.

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