Telegram Sam
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Sounds like something your manager says when you're a child who isn't exactly the best at football

No, not really. Just sounds like he's defending a player coming in for a lot of unfair criticism.
VP.
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Telegram Sam
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It's clear that he isn't that good a player and doesn't deserve to be playing for England on current forum but this petition nonsense and some of the abuse he has been getting is way over the top.
Crane
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Booing his name when it was read out at Wembley was very, very poor from the supporters.
Sam
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I was more concerned by this comment:

We need to get back to creating more opportunities. I actually think we have played quite well in games.


WHEN?!
Ninja
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In reply to comments about fans losing faith in Moyes if he replaces the team and still does shit, possibly my favourite post ever:

Nah, in that scenario I can imagine hearing that he needs time to rebuild the entire stadium, brick by brick, before he can be properly judged.

If that doesn't work, 'sensible pundits' will insist that Moyes must be given the funds to atomically dematerialise the entire squad and then rebuild them molecule by molecule to his own specifications.

If this still doesn't provide Moyes with the exact right circumstances for his highly complex footballing vision to come to fruition, I can see Fergie assembling a doomsday device - 'sensible pundits' will frantically assure us that the world simply hasn't been pulling it's weight and that a 'massive, global clear-out' is needed in order for Moyes to have a fair go at it. 'True fans' like Drummer and Pogue will righteously agree that though they love their families, and have enjoyed life on Earth, this is simply the only realistic way forward at this point.

Moyes will be bundled into an underground bunker for his own protection, and all other life on the planet will be eradicated.

Moyes will emerge from his bunker, just as Fergie has instructed, with a football, two sets of goal posts and a homemade banner that reads "Barclay's Premier League" on it. He will mount the banner and the goal posts in the hard, dry, dead Earth and proceed to play a single match, against no-one, for the title of 'Premier League Champion of the Universe' - first goal wins.

He stoically plods up field, ball at his feet. Fast, nervous breaths as he approaches the empty opposition goal. He aims a lofted ball into the open net but just as the ball is about to cross the line, a rogue gust of post-apocalypse wind picks the ball up and blows it in the opposite direction...

Straight down the makeshift pitch it blows and straight into Moyes' own net.

Game over.

Moyes sighs and stumbles off into the empty, desolate wasteland - muttering to himself about how 'all he can do is try and win the next one'.
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Sam
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RVP has come out and said he's happy here. Nice to read.

I don’t mind if my performances get dissected and people criticise what I’ve done on the pitch. They can talk about my game 24/7 for all I care… and a lot of those opinions and criticisms may actually be right. So I don’t mind that. What I need to address are the situations when people are taking it upon themselves to think for me, make assumptions, or interpret things as if they are me. Last time I checked my head was still attached to my body, so I’m the only one who knows exactly what I’m feeling and that is not what I or the fans have been reading. The truth is I’m very happy here at this club. I signed for four years and I’d be delighted to stay even longer, beyond the next two years I have left on my contract. This is how I feel, although it’s not what has been suggested in the media.

I’m very happy with my team-mates and I’m very happy with my manager and his staff. The sessions we have on the training ground are fantastic and I’m learning a lot from them every day. I’ve been a professional footballer for 12 years now and there’s no doubt I’m learning new things and progressing with David Moyes. Like I said, talk about my performances or talk about a tackle that was too late. I don’t mind. But it goes too far when people start suggesting, amongst other things, that I have a bad understanding with the manager. That’s not true at all.

“Over the last few years I’ve started to look more closely at the way coaches work to learn from them – not just here at the club but with the international team as well. I’ve worked with some brilliant coaches and I’ve taken a real interest in all the methods they use and the choices they make. I can tell you that Moyes’ sessions and the things he says in his team meetings are spot-on. I really enjoy working under him and I’m absolutely convinced things will pick up and we’ll turn it around.

There is mutual respect between us and the work environment is actually good. He really wants things to work here at Manchester United and I want the same, just like the other players. We’re all working hard to make this work.
VP.
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Sorry, but it just sounds like a pack of lies to me.
Jamieandhisego
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Agreed. These platitudes will clear the air for now until the end of the season, but it all depends on whether or not he looks arsed in the remaining games and he actually stays after the World Cup.
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I'm not sure him staying is hugely beneficial to the club long term now Rooney signed on, anyway.
Telegram Sam
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I'm not sure him staying is hugely beneficial to the club long term now Rooney signed on, anyway.

You're paying over £500k p/w in wages for the pair of them. I'd flog him in the summer and invest in a younger, cheaper striker who isn't a selfish and moody cunt.
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You're paying over £500k p/w in wages for the pair of them. I'd flog him in the summer and invest in a younger, cheaper striker who isn't a selfish and moody cunt.


I wouldn't even bother replacing like for like if he went.

Welbeck has been exemplary as a striker this season and Hernandez is perfectly good enough to be 3rd choice/impact sub, with Will Keane taking the 4th.

Mata can then play in the hole, Januzaj on the right and then buy a winger who isn't totally useless to play on the left, Rues springs to mind.

A competent midfield behind that front 4 and we'd be as good as anyone in terms of personnel.
The Platypus
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Your defence would still be fucking atrocious.
Ninja
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Your defence would still be fucking atrocious.


Which is why I hope we get Jones and Smalling playing games together and building an understanding now.

Oh and we might buy a left back that can defend, that would be nice.
.verse
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Which is why I hope we get Jones and Smalling playing games together and building an understanding now.

Oh and we might buy a left back that can defend, that would be nice.

You lot need first choice replacements for both fullback positions and a centre back.

While both have talent, Smalling and Jones as first choice won't cut it on a consistent basis.

United have a lot of work to do in a lot of key areas.
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You lot need first choice replacements for both fullback positions and a centre back.

While both have talent, Smalling and Jones as first choice won't cut it on a consistent basis.

United have a lot of work to do in a lot of key areas.


Says who?

Jones and Smalling are both very talented centre backs and both deserve a chance in my opinion, if they get it and don't make it so be it, but I'd rather both got it than we spunk money needlessly on big name players for the sake of it.

There's also plenty of United fans that will tell you that Evans is already top class, he's certainly no worse than a lot of players plying their trade at top clubs. We'll probably sign a player, but I wonder if the sensible money would be on a more budget signing like Astori who has a bit more experience than that pair.

I'm not sure what you mean when you say 'first choice replacement', but Rafael is brilliant and I'd hope next season Valera can cover for him. We need to sign a left back, without doubt, but I'm not as sure Evra will leave as I was a few months back so maybe we don't need another player just for the numbers.

We all recognise our midfield is utter dross, and I think people forget that that impacts the defence, too, Fellaini's done a better job of providing some stability in midfield since he's come back and we've looked a bit more solid as a result, finally sort that midfield out and the defence will naturally start to look a bit better.
.verse
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Says who?

Jones and Smalling are both very talented centre backs and both deserve a chance in my opinion, if they get it and don't make it so be it, but I'd rather both got it than we spunk money needlessly on big name players for the sake of it.

There's also plenty of United fans that will tell you that Evans is already top class, he's certainly no worse than a lot of players plying their trade at top clubs. We'll probably sign a player, but I wonder if the sensible money would be on a more budget signing like Astori who has a bit more experience than that pair.

I'm not sure what you mean when you say 'first choice replacement', but Rafael is brilliant and I'd hope next season Valera can cover for him. We need to sign a left back, without doubt, but I'm not as sure Evra will leave as I was a few months back so maybe we don't need another player just for the numbers.

We all recognise our midfield is utter dross, and I think people forget that that impacts the defence, too, Fellaini's done a better job of providing some stability in midfield since he's come back and we've looked a bit more solid as a result, finally sort that midfield out and the defence will naturally start to look a bit better.

Both Smalling and Jones have had chances, obviously they've not had a lot of games together as a central pairing but with both being young they lack that experience, which has shown on individual instances when either has played centrally. Someone like Astori isn't going to solve any of your issues at centre half though, while he's a good player, he isn't that top level you will need. He'd also be somewhat foolish to join if he isn't going to be first choice and would cost anywhere between £15-18m at least.

To be fair, every time I've seen Evans play he's been rather streaky with his performances. Though I've not seen much of him this season to see if he's improved or not. Still, wouldn't be banking on him too much either when push comes to shove.

I'm talking genuine first team quality players who are going to walk in and be in the starting line up. Evra on the wrong side of 30 and his performances have lapsed from a few seasons ago, so that's a key position requiring replacing. Throw in a central defender who's going to contain that leadership and composure that's been lost with Rio over the last few seasons and Vidic's impending departure. While Rafael is solid for the most part, a bit of genuine competition will either help raise his game or replace him.

The midfield though is another story altogether.

To sum it up though, United are going to need to spend some serious cash this summer to help bridge the gap that's been created. Particularly when those other sides around them will be spending too.
Poe
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Evans is awesome

Jones will be awesome, however Smalling isn't good enough for a top 4 team imo.
VP.
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So its Man Utd v Liverpool at Old Trafford and Moyes has called Liverpool the favourites, that'll go down well.
Ninja
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Verse, you're either being very selective with your use of the term 'given the chance' or talking out of your arse.

Every man and his dog knows that Jones and Smalling have found it very difficult to get consistent game time at centre back over Vidic, Ferdinand or Evans. Either you're being deluded by the fact that they've both racked up a lot of appearances out of position (Smalling at right back, Jones at right back or in the midfield) or you're applying a very Chelsea-esque approach to player development.

What both players have done is do rather well when they get chances at centre back, in fact, they've done better than rather well. Smalling has been excellent, and Jones, whilst looking shaky for 45 minutes against West Brom after coming back from a month out. There was a sense, even before Vidic announced his departure, that next season was the one that the three (including Evans) be given the genuine chance to stake their claim for that position long term.

Jones strikes as absolute prime leadership material, so I'm not sure 'buying a leader' is particularly necessary, he just needs the environment for those skills to grow.

That Evra needs replacing is obvious, but I find the criticism of Rafael bizarre. He's had a disappointing season compared to last but he's also had a very stop start one, too. He's absolutely influential to us, and he's a fantastic footballer; when he plays well its remarkable how involved he is in the game from right back; to describe him as 'solid' is litotical in the extreme. There are very, very, few right backs in the world that could come into the team and outperform him, and I dare say most clubs would have the common sense to demand exorbitant fees for those that would. At 23, I doubt there's any similarly aged right backs that even come close.

On the list of positions we need to address a first choice right back probably comes as low down as goalkeeper.

To ignore the midfield aspect of the debate is dim. A good midfield can do wonders for the back 4 behind them, in an age where Barcelona's midfield is so good that they can get away with consistently playing Mascherano at centre-back it seems odd that a football fan can still miss the importance of this area.

Of course we'll spend cash, we need a midfielder -maybe 2-, a left back, a winger, a centre back of some description, and depending on departures could also need a back up goalkeeper, left back and striker. That that in some way validates your opinions on the problems is neither here nor there, we all know that the biggest reason for the gap is the most unprecedented managerial change of our lifetimes, possibly in football history.

Also Poe, I think thats fair enough. I'm not advocating giving Smalling a chance because I think he's a nailed on world beater, I think he deserves it based on what he's done, but you can never be sure it will turn out well for him.

I just want the younger players to be given a fair crack of the whip at United, because thats what we do, and thats what Moyes was bought here to carry on. We dominated English football on the back of the faith in the likes of Scholes, Beckham, Giggs, Neville and Butt, and we won the first English European cup on the back of the ethos of Matt Busby and his babes.
Sam
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So its Man Utd v Liverpool at Old Trafford and Moyes has called Liverpool the favourites, that'll go down well.


Well, he's right.
SpinSwimScream
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Very very right. I'm dreading it
King Luis
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I dont think it'll be as bad as your thinking it will be, can see it being a draw tbh but that would be a pretty poor result for us
tmatthew
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Aye I reckon a draw, you're definitely vulnerable in defence.
Slashman X
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Mata's time to shine against Liverpool's defence methinks
Ninja
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I've convinced myself that Liverpool won't turn up and we'll win 1-0.

Which will make it all the more painful when we get humped.
Telegram Sam
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I've convinced myself that Liverpool won't turn up and we'll win 1-0.

Which will make it all the more painful when we get humped.

It really is now or never with Moyes.

I think you'll do it. Their defense is poor and with the attacking options you have they should have some joy.
Sam
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I've just been watching 01/02 Season Review, if you think this season is bad, watch that one. Blanc and Silvestre in defence, Barthez in goal, so many awful goals conceded.

Oh, and we beat Olympiakos 3-0 at home that year, just need to do that again!

Got a good feeling about today.
Poe
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01/02 was a great year

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