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Fantastic
David Moyes in his eleven years (extensive knowledge of football) at Everton was considered a good manager. I don't want to start saying things like he was a good motivator or a great tactician, I want to keep this as simple as possible:at Everton he was a good manager. I think we can all agree on that.
So what has he been/is he doing at Man Utd that is hobbling the team? How can the influence of one man be the root cause of all green rectangle based problems? Some detailed insight into that, and also maybe some kind of understanding on what made him a good manager at Everton would be greatly appreciated.
Sheriff Skacel
- Poor transfer business, 27m for Fellaini, never a Man Utd quality player and not what they needed, £37m for Mata who again wasn't what the team needed
- Tactical transition, he's never really played with AMCs, especially in the Mata mould. Hard transition to make for him, and obviously the mentality step up from being Everton manager
- Dressingroom discontent, Rooney contract, rumours about RvP, etc
- Ageing squad, Fergie got out at the right time
- Poor squad, Man Utd only have a handful of players who could get into other European elite teams
I don't believe fully in it being the weight of expectation in replacing Fergie, some have said that any manager would have struggled, I don't believe that. Pep or Mourinho would have had Man Utd in the title hunt this season, and its not too ludicrous to suggest Man Utd could have appointed one of them.
The fact of the matter is Moyes wouldn't have got a look in at Chelsea, Arsenal or Man City, yet he got the Utd job. He was never good enough, so its senseless to expect him to takeover a title winning side in need of a rehaul and challenge for the title. He's had no experience of challenging for honours but he's walking into a club that demands that from the off. Its like signing a mid-table striker who gets 15 a season and asking him to go out and get 40 goals a season in a title winning side.
Poe
Personally I don't think his defence bar Rafael is very good at all. Going forward Man U are brilliant but Moyes prefers caution to attack.
Slashman X
Fantastic
Mate, Bar Rafaeli is a supermodel, not a footballer...
Slashman X
Eric Portapotty
Looking at Moyes and his 'Scottishness' and neglecting any potential flaws with his tactical game was a huge mistake, especially when it meant that Mourinho would then go to Chelsea.
United seriously dropped the ball big time when they let Mou by - perhaps Fergie's pride was in play when he made his decision?
VP.
Slashman X
Just for 4 games though right?
Fantastic
So what's different then, managerially. Because at Everton he went out, got players, made a formation, managed the people, was a moderate success. Surely at Man Utd, where he has far better resources and players, it should be vaguely similar. At what point do you say "okay, maybe it's not Moyes, maybe it's the players; they're not good enough." Of course there is the argument that they won the league the season before... so then one has to go back and ask, "what is he actually doing himself to make the team not play well.
Footygamer
This definitely.
Tactical ineptness seems to show. He doesn't seem to have any ideas, his one dynamite move when they're behind is to put Valencia at right back. At Everton he always had players that worked hard but weren't necessarily the best, people like Darren Fletcher suit him, Nani, Kagawa, Mata etc do not at all and Mata was simply an awful purchase, obviously he's a brilliant player, but not what United needed at the time whatsover especially with Kagawa barely featuring and Januzaj coming through.
People giving shit about Fergie leaving an aging squad is ridiculous. What did you expect him to do, shift out Ferdinand, Evra, Giggs and Vidic and replace them himself with players that suited his style and that he wanted? Handing over an ageing squad was the best thing to do as it gives a simple transitional period where those aging players can be faded out and replaced. If he'd handed over a younger squad it would have been very hard for any new manager to shift them and bring in who he wanted. As it is Fergie left behind the nucleus of a good squad of mixed age and ability. Maybe Smalling and Jones aren't good enough, on the one hand you have to say it's a good idea to buy the centre back pairing from the under 21's, on the other hand Marvin Sordell was in the U21's for ages so it certainly doesn't guarantee quality. Nonetheless there's absolutely nothing wrong with that squad, compare it to Liverpool's and it's really not far weaker, hell Liverpool last season finished in 7th, so it's clearly not all about the names on the team sheet.
What's let Moyes down is tactical ineptness and presumably motivation, although without being in the dressing room it's difficult to tell exactly what's been going on in that regard.
Also, in regards Slashman's point, how hands on do you think Fergie has been in the past 10 years since he originally said he'd retire? Alot of it was probably left to some very highly regarded coaches who had a track record of getting the very best out of some rather average players. Clearly whoever Moyes has brought in aren't of the same calibre. Lets not forget it doesn't just come down to one man doing everything himself, it's not all just Moyes vs Fergie, obviously we'll never know but I would suggest that Moyes with Fergie's backroom staff intact would have be been considerably more successful than he has been.
Eric Portapotty
VP.
Hearing he's been sacked now and Giggs is the 'long term' replacement.
BR.
That would be a bigger risk than Moyes was!
Sam
I won't repeat everything that's been said in here already, so just briefly. Moyes was clearly out of his depth. He couldn't cope with the pressure, played negative football, made stupid decisions, clearly lost the dressing room, kept making excuses, terrible at handling the media, he didn't impose himself at all.
He's a nice guy, a good manager, but the wrong choice for Manchester United.
Cymro
They missed out on targets prior to Moyes, the hierarchy need to show some guile by getting hold of Klopp. Exactly the manager United need. Will transform the club for the better.
For temp, give it to Giggs, cannot do any worse than Moyes.
Sheriff Skacel
Sam
Slashman X
Van Gaal stopgap until Klopp is available methinks
RealityCheck
SpinSwimScream
That's an idiotic thing to say. If we don't get Klopp it will be because of his loyalty to Dortmund.
MarkC1984
Based Jorge
It was wonderful to see, comical at times; but all I'm saying is Fergie is one selfish bastard for leaving United when he did. Everyone knew that United were in complete shite once he left.
edallen2
Fergie's intimidation of match officials gave them time and points not afford to other teams.
The next 24hrs will be fun.
Moyes' time at Man Utd was never to going to successful. It is like Roy Hodgson at Liverpool.
Shedender
This, I don't understand how he thought that was even a slightly good idea.
They're not a smaller club, that's just stupid.
Franck
Eric Portapotty
mons
I hope he's there for years and complete the overhaul
Ninja
I can't even bring myself to feel sorry for him, thats a long time passed. He was dour, styleless, unimaginative, out of his depth, uninspiring and tactically clueless, he had no ability to handle the media despite the fact that they were extraordinarily generous to him.
The best thing he's done for Manchester United is that his successor, whoever that will be, must now merely replace him a job I'm beginning to think that the vast, vast majority of football managers will achieve with consummate ease.
As for who will be trusted with that job. Klopp should be seriously considered and, if he's as ungettable as many would believe then Van Gaal would be preferable to Blanc or Giggs. Ancelotti, Simeone or Pochettino outsiders for various reasons.
Slashman X