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Abbott
Its got nothing to do with looking for somebody to blame for losing, its just a bunch of horrible fuckers who lack any sense of decency or perspective.
mr.SPANKY
Obtuse
Yes. You don't even get let off for comedy points like Abbott or sympathy points like Carroll.
Franck
You need to have a brain to be able to think. I doubt those people have one.
Carroll.
Yay.
And yeah those people are absolute cunts, but every club has one. They'll get punished accordingly for it.
But yeah, we're also not blaming the loss on anyone, but he was shit in the game.
VP.
Obtuse
No because the United fans didn't chant about Hillsborough. They chanted about Suarez, the fans mentality and Heysel.
jumberto
Well Rodgers, Gerrard and Johnson have spent every interview since speaking about how none of the key decisions were right (even though they were) giving the impression they've been screwed by Halsey, this mentality filters down to the moronic 'fans' and we have vile attacks on twitter. Directly or indirectly, key figures within the club have blamed the referee for Liverpool not winning the match, Johnson is even lying saying he didn't touch Valencia, despite video proof that he does and Shelvey accused Fergie of getting him sent off. They're blaming everyone but themselves, and so are the fans, but this result is not a one off.
Exactly.I don't see how chanting 'murderers' at the police re: Hillsborough,is different to the same chant towards Liverpool fans re:Heysel, but one seems to be ok and the other not.
Abbott
Obtuse
I don't think anyone can defend singing it that day but ultimately it was all back at the fans who made Munich gestures to the United fans. Wrong on both sides but that chant isn't about Hillsborough.
Abbott
Also are you trying to suggest that its a club-run attempt to blame the referee to cover up our own failings? Fuck me.
Abbott
Even if there were Munich gestures (I've only heard that it was one or two - and even then nobody seems to be talking about it at all - excuses maybe?) then the United fans are just as bad for retaliating by singing those songs. I don't care what you say, that song is clearly referencing Hillsborough in some way. And chanting 'murderers' is just bizarre and quite sad really.
Obtuse
I'm not disagreeing about the timing of the chants but everyone is saying it is about Hillsborough when it is not. It is a direct attack on the way some 'fans' attached to your club portray themselves. The murderers chant has no place in a football stadium though. It has a basis in fact when you consider the 14 convicted after Heysel but that is no excuse and it needs to die.
Carroll.
You being serious?
Also United fans chanted 'Where's your famous Munich song?', which quite clearly had no place in a stadium, especially on that day. I heard of one Liverpool fan doing munich gestures but he was promptly thrown out.
tmatthew
King Luis
I think saying it was the majority is a little much.
tmatthew
Not that it's the same as signing those songs, but it's still disgraceful.
And the "always the victim" chants are about Suarez, people/the media can try and attach it to other things irrelevant to the chants all they want but it doesn't change that fact.
King Luis
But still singing those chants on that day was clearly intended to provoke a reaction.
tmatthew
Ninja
You do realise trying to claim that it's never your fault is a song about Hillsborough makes no sense anymore?
Abbott
Yes, that's why singing it makes it even more moronic.
EDIT: I don't give a shit if United fans want to sing that song at OT or wherever from now on, but singing that at Anfield on Sunday specifically and then claiming its got nothing to do with Hillsborough was not on. I'm just pointing out it happened, and I'm glad that it was reported and shown to people.
There's always going to be shitty songs aimed at people, that's just football, but it clearly does have undertones towards Hillsborough, and just because its actually about Suarez it doesn't make it alright.
Ninja
Nah it clearly is a reference to the self pity City myth and the perceived victim mentality that Liverpool fans have. It's clearly a reference to conspiracy theories, Rafa's facts and yes at it's grubbier ends of that reputation Heysel and, formerly Hillsborough admittedly.
It was sung last year at Anfield and not one problem was raised with the song, even Dalglish who is surely one of the most likely to be sensitive to and have issues with Hillsborough chanting (given the work he's done with the families since and his proximity to it) specifically said there was 'no issue' with anything either set of fans did that day.
I agree with everyone saying the timing of it was off, and it certainly was at Wigan, but Evra was once again abused for reporting what he perceived to be racist abuse (and whatever you want to argue Suarez was trying to say is irrelevant to the point, it clearly was interpreted as racist by Evra and thus reported), I hardly think its fair on one hand to say 'It's ok that Liverpool fans haven't let this issue drop' but on the other hand saying 'United fans aren't allowed to sing about this issue, because the media has changed the meaning of a song after the fact and now it offends us'.
Now, both sides were guilty of provocation, notably 'Where's your famous Munich chant?' from our side and the booing of Evra and plane gestures from some on your side, and I don't think you can take what either fanbase did or sung in isolation and be offended by it without looking at the circumstances from Sunday that led to those actions.
NOSNOS
tmatthew
Slashman X
*Facepalm*
Abbott
Because Suarez said what he said multiple times, Terry was once, I think.
tmatthew
NOSNOS
Abbott
But its the FA, their decisions are often bizarre and inconsistent