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Grimnir
Shit like this is just as bad as people saying everyone who voted Leave is a racist.
Scotland had their referendum, they voted to remain in the UK and as such face the same consequences as the rest of us. If anything, it highlights the pointlessness (is that a word?) of referendums - as touched upon earlier in the thread.
Personally, I am all for Scottish Independence and more local governance. They voted to remain though and shouldn't be able to pick and choose which bits they want. You take the good with the bad, however you view either.
bmg033
I kind of hope Trump wins just so we don't look like the biggest idiots.
Grimnir
If Corbyn gets eaten by the sharks as the Labour party attempts to follow suit in ripping itself apart, Trump might inspire Lord Sugar to do similar in this country at the head of Labour! Imagine what a GE would look like with Boris Johnson v Lord Sugar!
Stood next to each other they will look like tweedle-dee and tweedle-dum from Alice in Wonderland
Sam
That's my current mood.
Based Jorge
HRiddick
The problem is many Scottish people voted to stay with the UK after being promised that was the safest option to stay with the EU. Now that has been reversed, they have every right to call on another referendum.
Anyone fancy lending me a few bob?
Shola
Is there actually anything in euroskepticism over there? it's weirdly reported 95% of the time Europe are a bunch of banana-bending self interested weirdos plotting against Britain. Then the other 5% they're on the verge of referendum.
Jan.
King Luis
Thats bollocks and you know it. They had an independence referendum on the basis that they would remain in the UK & the EU, they unanimously voted to remain and now they're being told they have to leave the EU? Nah they deserve another referendum after we pulled the rug from beneath them.
DB
I can't see any other way in which your economy isn't in turmoil for the next decade?
Number 1
One Night In Grimsby
In all seriousness, FFS.
Shola
Number 1
You could say the same about his entire leadership tbf.
Franck
Link is here if anybody wants to sign it. https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/131215
Grimnir
Fair enough, don't know too much about what happened in the Scotland referendum other than the result for the most part. If the whole remain part of the UK was based on the Eu membership then it's fair enough they get another referendum. As I said, I'm all for Scottish Independence.
Carroll.
Franck sort of explains, plus it's just a stupid reason. The % of EU immigrants isn't that huge, plus if anything it adds to the economy and their not here 'to steal jobs'. I could go on about immigration but I just feel it's a stupid argument for voting leave, as not much if anything will change and there always has and will be immigration.
Carroll.
Ninja
It's not hugely out of the realms of possibility. Parliament overwhelmingly backs remaining, Scotland and Northern Ireland overwhelmingly backed remaining, some leave voters are realising that they were lied to. Nissan 'no commenting' stories that they're about to move out of Sunderland which overwhelmingly backed to leave. And Leave are backtracking on claims they made on the campaign trail. Oh and reports that the senior conservative's that backed Leave favour the Norway/Switzerland model which solves none of the issues that people voted on and causes more problems.
Not saying it will happen, but its not impossible that it might.
Carroll.
Very much doubt it will happen. But does put it in to perspective on whether everyone should get to vote when you get idiots like this
http://metro.co.uk/2016/06/24/man-who-voted-for-leave-says-he-thought-his-vote-wouldnt-count-wins-moron-of-the-year-award-5964450/
And not the first I've seen either
Ninja
If we held the referendum again, and its confirmed that the 'trade deal' we will sign with the EU is what Boris and Gove favour which is to join the EEC on the same deal as Norway or Switzerland which means paying in (probably more than we did now because we won't get the rebate), having no say in how the EU makes its laws, and accepting free movement of people would you still vote leave or would you prefer to remain?
DazS8
Moaning about wanting another vote,WHY?....if we all vote as we did the first time the result will be the same.
Let me guess, most of the remain brigade on here are of the younger generation, I may nolonger belong to that group but I dont consider myself pasi it (yet)
With the risk of sounding very old (45) I will say this....I understand your feelings of jeperdation and uncertainty but in life you have to take risks,
the debate on leaving the EU has been rumbling on for as long as I remember but here is my opinion (probably get slaughtered)
I spent most of my life as a steel worker but....
Steel making has all but gone .... we buy steel from abroad....WHY?...we can make it ourselves which in turn creates more jobs.
This goes for lots more industries including Hosiery which has also all but died out, as again we buy from abroad, closing factories, losing jobs etc.
Lets go back and bring back our own industry, stop buying from abroad, make it at home here in the UK....surley this would be good for the country, we have lost our identity.
Ninja
Irony right here is that EU wanted to impose tariffs on Chinese exports of Steel to protect the European market.
That was blocked by...
Yep. The UK government you guessed it.
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/apr/01/steel-crisis-uk-accused-blocking-eu-attempts-regulate-chinese-dumping
DazS8
Does not suprise me at all.
Another kick in the teeth that infuriated me was in the train making industry.
A massive contract given by us to Germany when we have a perfectly great company in the Uk that could do it.....stupid to the extreme!!
Ninja
Oh. Sorry. I think you mis-understood what I said.
The EU wanted to protect the steel industry (including in this country) from cheap Chinese steel dumps. That would have propped up our industry and would probably have lead to Tata steel staying. The UK fought tooth and nail to stop them from doing that for over 3 years, and in 2016, as I'm sure you're aware, that led to Tata steel pulling out, at which point the UK government refused to bail out the steel industry in the same way they did the banks.
The crisis of manufacturing in this country, like most other things, is entirely a problem of our own making.
And on the topic, the issue I assume you're talking about is the Bombardier/Siemans bid for the Thameslink contract. As far as I'm aware, the main problem was the process that was set out by the Labour government that the Tories followed (they said they would change it afterwards, but in typical Tory fashion didn't), again it was largely a problem of our own making.
Shola
I've generally been supportive of him. It's been totally unfair when the Sun attack him and 'establishment' Blairite Labour undermine him. But the idea of Labour losing in the North East is unthinkable.
Corbyn seemed to absolutely half step this campaign. Offering nothing or attempting to motivate or persuade his built in audience. Sadiq Khan also sounded like an itdiot.
I think Labour are done. Lib Dems are done. Moderate Tories seems like the only option, save us Ruth Davidson.