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Manchester United are always shit and have been for years, it's only down to corruption and cheating that they have carried on winning. You should know this by now.

RVP IS GOD!!!

The pass was amazing too, Giggs hit it on the bounce. Unbelievable goal.

It certainly made up for that header he missed, I guess headers have never been his strength.

Fuck off - that's clearly not the point I was trying to make. Idiot.

lmao, unnecessary anger. I don't see how what he said was wrong? You're having a go at Ninja for having a negative opinion on a player but I'm sure you've done the same before, everyone has.

So you have no actual argument besides an insult? Good one.

You said exactly that. Professional scouts know more than anyone so it's ridiculous to question them.

I clearly wasn't trying to say that people can't offer an opinion because they're not paid to do so, and of course I'm not saying that it's ridiculous to question their decisions. However, Ninja began speaking in complete absolutes - saying he'll never amount to anything in his career, that the transfer was 'pointless', that him falling over would most likely be the most memorable thing about him - based on little evidence. Obviously if we're talking about a player who plays a lot of first team football in this country or is a prominent figure abroad, then most fans will have seen them play enough times to make some sort of judgement. How much has anyone seen of Fryers, aside from some reserve games for United and a handful of appearances in the Belgian league - if that?

What I getting at was that if Spurs are spending £3m on his services, they've obviously seen some potential there that is difficult to spot otherwise because nobody's bloody seen him play. There's no need to chastise me for speaking common sense and saying there might be some logic in the signing, as opposed to Ninja's complete dismissal of Fryers as a player despite having barely seen him play.

You know full well I wasn't trying to say that all scouts know more than the average fan and/ or that fans shouldn't question their decisions, but felt the need to bring that up without any proper discussion whatsoever. I reacted angrily because I get the impression you knew that full well but fancied calling me out on something based on an interpretation of something I said which I clearly didn't mean to come across like that.

Well, first of all, I don't get why you're 'angry' in the first place in a discussion about United and Spurs. You called Ninja (and essentially any United fan that agrees with him, that Fryers isn't actually that good) arrogant, bitter and uninformed - which in itself is uninformed. Not sure who upset you there.

The original point was trying to get you to be more specific, considering your argument can be used in practically every single transfer that takes place.

Believe it or not a lot of United fans follow the team very closely, there are blogs and things that specifically look at the reserve/youth team. So it's possible that Ninja isn't basing his opinion on Fryers on two games or however many he played, but also on things he's read from people who have followed Fryers 'career' closely. You don't have a clue how much or little he knows about him before you came in throwing insults about.

So yeah, my original comment was partly out of annoyance that you branded Ninja/people agree with him arrogant, bitter and uninformed. Pretty unnecessary and incorrect.

Remember watching the game, was absolutely amazing!!

Not a clue what Doni was doing for the first goal. So far off his line.

MAGICAL MANCHESTER UNITED!!

I remember I kept going downstairs to update people on the score, so many trips fucking hell.

And I remember a few weeks later we had Milan in the semi final, Rooney's last minute goal.

So United take on the Pool this Sunday any guesses to the starting line up and possible scoreline?

I'm gonna say:

De Gea
Rafael Ferdinand Vidic Evra
Carrick Cleverley / Fletcher
Valencia Rooney / Cleverley Young
Van Persie

I've put Cleverley in twice cause although Fergie has said Rooney won't be fit i think that he could be playing a sneaky one with that and that he may just start.

Also i think it will be a close game: United 2 Liverpool 1

So excited for tomorrow, the fact i'll be there is such a great feeling. Reckon if we control Suarez, we'll keep a clean sheet

Going to be a tight game I think.

I'm really confident, I think we'll have too much for Liverpool going forward and are good enough at the back, and getting better there too, to deal with Suarez.

3-1 I reckon.

But we'll lose, now, obviously.

We shouldn't lose if we put pressure on the ball, the crowd gets behind us and we play with the view to attack from the off. Liverpool are a mid-table side with one world-class player, and I would be absolutely gutted with anything other than three points.

We should be comfortably winning today. Control Suarez and we're fine.

Well we controlled Suarez and we still made it look difficult. How Welbeck got man of the match with that hopeless display of running around to no effect whatsoever is beyond me, unfortunately. Evra, Rafael and Carrick all did better, with about 5000km less ground covered.

Thought we did fine, tbh.

Liverpool didn't trouble us until about the 75th minute apart from when we gave them the ball in stupid positions (e.g. Cleverley to Gerrard) the substitution of Jones pretty much indicated our mentality was 'go on have the ball, see if you can break us down' and we still came closer to scoring in that period than they did despite their possession.

We deserved to win, but we made hard work of it towards the end when the game should have been wrapped up.

Welbeck did well, but he wasn't MOTM for me.

Welbeck and RvP had the two CB's in their back pocket, Danny put in a shift and once he's more confident in front of goal he'll be complete. I think he was a well chosen MOTM

The last 15 minutes of pressure from Liverpool was purely due to the fact that he couldn't hold the ball up.

On another note.



Get in we're only 2-1 down!

Yeah, that got weird.

Haha, bless them.

Will Vida or Evra get the second goal do you think? I'd give it to Evra as if that hit a Scouse defender then it wouldn't be an OG.

It was Vidic's goal, 100%.

That's a pretty class picture tbh.

His header wasn't going in.