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Dutton
Of course it was.
Shola
Pippadoc
Just because it was dangerous, doesn't mean it was intentionally dangerous.
I've seen a lot of outrage, from various places, about this. But I think we should give McManaman the benefit of the doubt - fair enough he committed a dangerous challenge, but a doesn't mean he wasn't honestly attempting to win the ball.
He's 21, he made a silly mistake and for now lets leave it at that.
Shola
McManaman may be 21 and made a mistake due to over-enthusiasm. But Haidera is 20 and yet to make his full Premier League debut and didn't go into the tackle dangerously and will now face a long time out. Whelan and Martinez have acted disgracefully in basically denying that he did anything wrong.
bluemoon.
You said it wasn't an accident. It can be dangerous and accidental at the same time, they aren't mutually exclusive.
Number 1
Neither player nor Wigan have apologised. It's the very least they could do and it's pretty amazing to not even be afforded that courtesy.
Shola
ac·ci·dent
/ˈaksidənt/
Noun
An unfortunate incident that happens unexpectedly and unintentionally, typically resulting in damage or injury.
A serious injury isn't unexpected, when a player enters into a challenge like that. It's not really an accident if McManaman was negligent.
bluemoon.
ac·ci·dent
/ˈaksidənt/
Noun
An unfortunate incident that happens unexpectedly and unintentionally, typically resulting in damage or injury.
Even by your own definition the tackle was an accident.
Shola
Poe
It's a disgrace that he's been let off without any punishment whatsoever but that's the FA for you, pointless arguing the toss about it as it won't matter.
On the bright side:
I'll be delighted to see Wigan, QPR or Villa go down, before it was just QPR or Villa.
Poe
I'm not making generalisations - just the way they have conducted themselves over the entire debacle has been entirely unprofessional and poor. Also, just because he's only played a handful of professional games doesn't protect him from criticism, I've played 0 professional games and I wouldn't launch into a tackle like that. He's done it in reserve matches before too. As someone else said - Haidara hasn't made his full debut in the PL yet and didn't go around studs up on McManaman's knee.
Maybe saying they're cheating was over the top, apologies - but I was annoyed.
I won't retract my comment about the FA being corrupt though, they definitely are.
Jamieandhisego
Poe
It's not though - it's defending a tackle which is completely unacceptable. He should have said the tackle was a disgrace. It doesn't matter how young you are. You don't tackle like that.
Sam
Ninja
Yeah, this.
You don't go in like that, because what happened is exactly what can happen, and exactly why it's dangerous.
It's not in the category of Roy Keane intentionally going out to hurt Haaland, but it is dangerous, it is clearly excessive force and clearly should not be defended by Martinez, Whelan or anyone.
On him getting away with it, I don't like the FA's appeal process, but this is not so much a failure of the appeals process as a damning indication of refereeing culture.
As a referee you are actively coached into not admitting a mistake, if you are being assessed at any level and admit to making an error (even if it is obvious) you WILL be slammed by an assessor. That means that referees at the top level are coached from the day they got into refereeing into denying that they have ever made an error, at least publicly. You then have a system that only works (or begins to work) if referees are accountable, and own up to their mistakes. It's an obvious conflict. The assistant that claims to have seen the incident is an embodiment of that culture, he should be sacked (its gross incompetence) and if he is then at least some justice is done.
JCash3000
Poe
Completely agree with all of this - if the linesman has supposedly seen it then why was no action taken at the time?
When Coloccini nearly ended Suarez, the linesman started flagging like man even though he didn't actually touch him - which deservedly brought him a red card.
Slashman X
SpinSwimScream
Poe
I realise this and retracted what I said - however their attitude to the tackle is still absolutely appalling.
bluemoon.
Number 1
I think we can all accept the fact that Wigan did not tell McManaman to go out and fuck up one of our players but their attitude, both from top brass and supporters, has been extremely unprofessional.
Telegram Sam
VP.
Ninja
They're only contributing something like £15m of the £190m it is costing to convert it.
Slashman X
ianbaker
And maybe McManaman was looking for retribution...
BR.
What a load of weirdos.
VP.
I think cunts is the right word.