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Stuart Hall has pled guilty. I'm struggling to find a good way to describe this... surreal, maybe.
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I have no doubt that there'll be a public outcry when he's sentenced to 'only' 2 1/2-3 years (and released after around a third of the sentence).
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By Franck | Permalink | On 02 May 2013 - 02:15 AM
It's important to remember that even in the present day many victims of rape and other sexual abuse don't come forward, despite the radically different social landscape compared to the 60s and 70s and all the efforts by law enforcement and social organisations have made to improve the treatment of victims since then.

Accusing someone of rape puts a very heavy burden upon the shoulders of the victim, especially if the person you accuse is famous or otherwise influential. Many victims simply feel that they can't carry that burden and choose to remain silent.

If a high-profile case like the one with Savile creates enough trust in the police and the justice system to make other victims of rape and sexual abuse to come forward, that's a very good thing. Saying that it "stinks of opportunism" entirely trivialises the absolute hell the victims of these crimes have gone through.


Well done Captain Obvious. How about the impact of a false claim on the victim of the claim?
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By Obtuse | Permalink | On 02 May 2013 - 20:18 PM
Well done Captain Obvious. How about the impact of a false claim on the victim of the claim?


Stop watching soap operas. False rape claims are about 0.0000001% of all cases, and very few rapes are actually reported.
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By Obtuse | Permalink | On 02 May 2013 - 20:18 PM
Well done Captain Obvious. How about the impact of a false claim on the victim of the claim?

Since Jaygull already took the polite, factual route, I'll just say this:

Go fuck yourself.
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By Jaygull | Permalink | On 02 May 2013 - 20:40 PM
Stop watching soap operas. False rape claims are about 0.0000001% of all cases, and very few rapes are actually reported.


False claims are far more common and you cannot prove your last point
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Please, please don't do this. You've been so good recently.
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Yeah, you've barely posted, KM.
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By Obtuse | Permalink | On 03 May 2013 - 09:28 AM
and you cannot prove your last point

That's why they are called the dark figures of crime, idiot.
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By Franck | Permalink | On 03 May 2013 - 14:12 PM
That's why they are called the dark figures of crime, idiot.


It is what they call 'made-up' as you will never know. Only a fool would use it.
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By Obtuse | Permalink | On 03 May 2013 - 16:18 PM
It is what they call 'made-up' as you will never know. Only a fool would use it.

You do live in this reality, right? I ask because those last two statements were phenomenally ignorant to the realities of rape reporting and crime statistics.
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By terriersmad | Permalink | On 03 May 2013 - 17:48 PM
You do live in this reality, right? I ask because those last two statements were phenomenally ignorant to the realities of rape reporting and crime statistics.


Not ignorant but rather overstated. The problem with the supposed reality to rape reporting is that hardly any thought is ever given to the reality of false claims and they are almost as damaging in the current climate. As for statistics though, I do no care for them as I prefer to picture an individual rather than a statistic as stats don't give the whole story
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By Obtuse | Permalink | On 03 May 2013 - 18:44 PM
Not ignorant but rather overstated. The problem with the supposed reality to rape reporting is that hardly any thought is ever given to the reality of false claims and they are almost as damaging in the current climate. As for statistics though, I do no care for them as I prefer to picture an individual rather than a statistic as stats don't give the whole story

You really do have a giant turd inside your skull instead of a brain.

Amazing.
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By Franck | Permalink | On 03 May 2013 - 21:15 PM
You really do have a giant turd inside your skull instead of a brain.

Amazing.

Not even arguing with him, and I like a good argument. Just no point.
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By Franck | Permalink | On 03 May 2013 - 21:15 PM
You really do have a giant turd inside your skull instead of a brain.

Amazing.


So false rape claims aren't a problem and should be ignored. Okay.
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Did anyone say that

No, they didn't. But they account for a massively small minority of all rape cases.

SO SHUT YOUR MOUTH YOU DISEASED CUNT
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I'd argue that, on the whole, false claims of many other crimes have a worse impact. How many people falsely accuse someone of rape, which leads to prosecution/police involvement? Probably not that many. How many people are falsely accused of burglary, theft, fraud, perjury, etc, just to try and damage their reputation? Thousands, every day. I know someone whose career was effectively ruined by false claims of theft/fraud at work (was an Argos manager), he was investigated both internally and by the police. He was vindicated but it ruined his reputation and no-one trusted him/
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By Obtuse | Permalink | On 04 May 2013 - 03:34 AM
So false rape claims aren't a problem and should be ignored. Okay.

There's a different between a false rape claim and some dumb 18 year old getting drunk, getting pumped and going "OMG I WUZ TOTES RAPED".
Do you know what the difference is? Someone who's been raped won't tell anyone and won't go to the police for fear of being judged or to try and forget it ever happened. The later will tell everyone and won't go to the police because they're lying and they'll get found out.
The system works. It's not strict enough, but it works.
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By Phoenix Arrow | Permalink | On 05 May 2013 - 13:41 PM
There's a different between a false rape claim and some dumb 18 year old getting drunk, getting pumped and going "OMG I WUZ TOTES RAPED".
Do you know what the difference is? Someone who's been raped won't tell anyone and won't go to the police for fear of being judged or to try and forget it ever happened. The later will tell everyone and won't go to the police because they're lying and they'll get found out.
The system works. It's not strict enough, but it works.


It doesn't work or they would be able to come forward. I know the difference and I have seen the devastation of both sides. Each time the damage is far on the false claim which is more common than is believed but it is hard to prove.
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Evidence from personal experience is fallacious, because it gives a misleading representation of the statistics.
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By Jaygull | Permalink | On 06 May 2013 - 19:56 PM
Evidence from personal experience is fallacious, because it gives a misleading representation of the statistics.


Only if the person can't step back from personal feelings. I never gave stats either, I said it is worse than people think. I don't like injustice at all regardless of the opinion of spoonfed cretins on here

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