Hendrixx
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Hello everyone,

 

I am using a database allowing to play from 8th french divsion. Only “issue” with it is that the substitutes rules are not correct.

from bottom tier to 6th divsion, the teams must play with 14 players, with unlimited substitues where any player that was sent out can come back to the game. Until the last 10th minutes where you can only make 2 last changes (2 more in case of overtime).

My question is, can I be THAT specific in the advanced rules ? Because I saw that we can add unlimited changes but cannot chose how many players are on the bench.

And correct me if I'm wrong but I might need to edit EVERY SINGLE group with these rules right ?

Thanks a lot in advance for your help.

kingrobbo
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By Hendrixx 27 November 2022 - 18:00 PM UTC 

Hello everyone,

 

I am using a database allowing to play from 8th french divsion. Only “issue” with it is that the substitutes rules are not correct.

from bottom tier to 6th divsion, the teams must play with 14 players, with unlimited substitues where any player that was sent out can come back to the game. Until the last 10th minutes where you can only make 2 last changes (2 more in case of overtime).

My question is, can I be THAT specific in the advanced rules ? Because I saw that we can add unlimited changes but cannot chose how many players are on the bench.

And correct me if I'm wrong but I might need to edit EVERY SINGLE group with these rules right ?

Thanks a lot in advance for your help.

post the file I will take a look at it when free

 

Hendrixx
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By kingrobbo 27 November 2022 - 23:01 PM UTC 

post the file I will take a look at it when free

Thanks for your answer. Here you go, it is an FM21 file though.

 

Hendrixx
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By kingrobbo 27 November 2022 - 23:01 PM UTC 

post the file I will take a look at it when free

Thanks for your answer. Here you go, it is an FM21 file though.

 

EDIT: Wow sorry for double post on my answer, it looked like it wasn't posted the first time. Don't know how to delete the other message… 

 

kingrobbo
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Hi

 

I am no longer using fm21, so opened in fm23 editor[so not ideal]

 

I cannot find anywhere where those rules have been added I have even created a xml file opened in notepad +++ and found 377 entries re subs, none match

 

IIRC in older versions of the editor there may have been options here to add specific players rules but I have not seen anything that specific before

I suggest you ask the person who made the file as this may be hardcoded by SI

when free post an image of the rules showing in game for these leagues 

Hendrixx
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By kingrobbo 29 November 2022 - 19:08 PM UTC 

Hi

 

I am no longer using fm21, so opened in fm23 editor[so not ideal]

 

I cannot find anywhere where those rules have been added I have even created a xml file opened in notepad +++ and found 377 entries re subs, none match

 

IIRC in older versions of the editor there may have been options here to add specific players rules but I have not seen anything that specific before

I suggest you ask the person who made the file as this may be hardcoded by SI

when free post an image of the rules showing in game for these leagues 

Here you can see the same part for one of the 6th division groups. Is that the line in my red circle that let us choose players per GAME ?

 

On the second pic it's the substitutes rules part. I can clearly see “all subs allowed” but I doubt that it means that a player can come out and come back on the game, it might also mean that ALL squad players are allowed on the bench, hard to tell before I test. Thanks again for your help.

 

kingrobbo
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image 1- relates to something different eg its rules like you can only pick 5 players who played in your last match so you have to freshen the squad up nothing to do with subs

 

image 2 sub rules- All subs is usually 12 from 12 and as said I have never seen the rule to allow rolling subs you need to ask the person who made the file,

 I doubt they did this, its hard coded IMO would like it as an option though as ideal for pre season cups I have set up would be a good feature for them

as you also show most of the leagues are actually 3 from 5 subs in the editor[including the leagues with these bizarre rules]

kingrobbo
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By Hendrixx 29 November 2022 - 22:08 PM UTC 

Here you can see the same part for one of the 6th division groups. Is that the line in my red circle that let us choose players per GAME ?

 

On the second pic it's the substitutes rules part. I can clearly see “all subs allowed” but I doubt that it means that a player can come out and come back on the game, it might also mean that ALL squad players are allowed on the bench, hard to tell before I test. Thanks again for your help.

 

also when free post an image of the actual substitute rules in game for these leagues 

Hendrixx
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By kingrobbo 29 November 2022 - 22:21 PM UTC 

also when free post an image of the actual substitute rules in game for these leagues 

 

where can I found what you mean ?

kingrobbo
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By Hendrixx 29 November 2022 - 23:05 PM UTC 

where can I found what you mean ?

 

the league rules as shown in game

kingrobbo
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try and take the full page of the rules if not take it in 2 pics like this

so I can see the rules for the league

Hendrixx
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By kingrobbo 29 November 2022 - 23:17 PM UTC 

the league rules as shown in game

Here you go. Just shows the data that I found in the editor:  3 from 5.

kingrobbo
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By Hendrixx 29 November 2022 - 23:46 PM UTC 

Here you go. Just shows the data that I found in the editor:  3 from 5.

 

yep its as I said, there is no such rule  and the game shows the actual sub rules for the comp

 

so either there is something hardcoded or its a bug 

 

of interest try looking at player rules in a team/club playing in that league - this will show rules set in fixture index rules I doubt it will show anything like the sub rules but there could be something bizarre there too

Hendrixx
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By kingrobbo 30 November 2022 - 00:27 AM UTC 

yep its as I said, there is no such rule  and the game shows the actual sub rules for the comp

 

so either there is something hardcoded or its a bug 

 

of interest try looking at player rules in a team/club playing in that league - this will show rules set in fixture index rules I doubt it will show anything like the sub rules but there could be something bizarre there too

Oh maybe we didn't understood each other since the beginning haha. Let me be more clear. I knew that the rules were 3 from 5 , which is the problem, as it isn't right compared to real life.

In real life, teams MUST have 14 players for the game, so 3 subs with unlimited changes, players can come back on the pitch after being substituted (just like basketball for example). And during the last 10 minutes, you are only allowed for 2 last changes (and 2 others in case of overtime).

And that is what I'm trying to implement in the editor and wondering if it's possible to create such rule.

 

kingrobbo
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By Hendrixx 30 November 2022 - 01:34 AM UTC 

Oh maybe we didn't understood each other since the beginning haha. Let me be more clear. I knew that the rules were 3 from 5 , which is the problem, as it isn't right compared to real life.

In real life, teams MUST have 14 players for the game, so 3 subs with unlimited changes, players can come back on the pitch after being substituted (just like basketball for example). And during the last 10 minutes, you are only allowed for 2 last changes (and 2 others in case of overtime).

And that is what I'm trying to implement in the editor and wondering if it's possible to create such rule.

 

no you werent clear but there you go 

 

and that is not possible the sub rules are confined to the drop down options in the editor

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By kingrobbo 30 November 2022 - 01:39 AM UTC 

no you werent clear but there you go 

 

and that is not possible the sub rules are confined to the drop down options in the editor

 

Alright, thanks a lot for your time I appreciate. I'm going to chose the closest which is 3 from 3. Last thing, I do need to edit EVERY single group individualy right ?

kingrobbo
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By Hendrixx 30 November 2022 - 02:11 AM UTC 

Alright, thanks a lot for your time I appreciate. I'm going to chose the closest which is 3 from 3. Last thing, I do need to edit EVERY single group individualy right ?

 

yes

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