Shola
15 years ago
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Didn't you want rid of Jonas then?



And I doubt its Ashley (or Pardew), more likely to be Charnley or whoever runs that side of things.
Poe
17 years ago
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Didn't you want rid of Jonas then?



And I doubt its Ashley (or Pardew), more likely to be Charnley or whoever runs that side of things.


They knew he had cancer, if I knew that at the time I wouldn't have wanted rid of him. There's more to life than football and money.

It's Ashley's blueprint.
Poe
17 years ago
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Fair play to Pardew really - must take a lot of arrogance and gall to tell a cancer patient he's not good enough for you.
Shola
15 years ago
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Pardew probably selected Jonas 99% of the time when he was fit. I doubt it was his idea. Managers generally aren't too keen to allow an experienced player leave, without a replacement. And I don't agree with it the decision or how Newcastle handled it at all, but he didn't have cancer when they wanted rid.


What's Ashley's blueprint?
Poe
17 years ago
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Money before everything is Ashley's blueprint. Regardless of player quality or whether the individual has cancer or not.

And Jonas said in his interview it was Pardew that told him he wasn't in his plans.
Shola
15 years ago
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Reminder that Ashley has made £0 from Newcastle United. - iiirc £129,000,000 in the red.

He charges the club no interest on the debt, and has delayed taking £18m in short term loan, for the past couple of years. Giving Sports Direct advertisement is often seen as a sign of his greed, but it's robbing from himself. He's giving a company he doesn't own free advertisement, from a company that he does own.

Besides everything he does will be misconstrued to put him and the club in a negative light -

Sign expensive players like Cabella or Cisse - He obviously wants to cash in - and sell them for more.
Sign young players like Perez - Obviously can't wait to sell for more
Sign expensive players and then sell them for less than the club paid - Obviously cashing in, can't wait to save on the wages
Invest millions into the youth academy - Obviously trying to produce young players to cash in
Give young players a chance - Neglecting the team, running the club into the ground etc.

It's boring. The club is run in the exact same manner as Swansea, Southampton etc.


And just because it was Pardew who told him, doesn't mean it was his decision.
Poe
17 years ago
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It's not run in the same manner at all. Southampton replace players when they sell them. They also held onto Schneiderlin when he was determined to leave.

We should be run in a more ambitious way than Swansea, they're nowhere near as a big a club as Newcastle.

Buying/selling players isn't the problem - it's the timing of it. Letting Cabaye/Carroll go on the last day of a transfer window is just ridiculous. Not replacing them for another 6 months is even worse.
Shola
15 years ago
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So Southampton are just replacing players then, therefore not strengthening, yet Newcastle committed a huge error, when they kept everyone and signed only one Dutch International midfielder? And Newcastle also held on to Sissoko and every player that they haven't sold.

And OK, Everton, Spurs etc. are also run in the exact same way.

I'm still not sure how Newcastle didn't replace Cabaye. We sold a French International Midfielder and now we have a French International Midfielder.
Poe
17 years ago
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6 months later? We had Loic Remy on loan and replaced him with Riviere?

We had Andy Carroll and didn't replace him for 6 months either.

We don't replace players straight away, unless we were going to go down.

I don't know why you continually defend Mike Ashley's transfer policy when it's clear it's contributing to our problems - they've admitted this themselves, for a start.

Tottenham Everton Southampton Swansea didn't go 18 months without making a permanent signing either.
Shola
15 years ago
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The problem was in the execution rather than the idea - We lost Shola, Remy and De Jong and replaced them with Perez, Riviere and Ferrerya - two of those have flopped so the issue with me is more to do with the guy in charge of buying the wrong players.

Carroll is extraordinary circumstance - Newcastle got offered double what the guy is worth and then brought in Ba and Cisse.

I don't defend 'his' transfer policy, I just cba with the myths - Newcastle have spent over £80m gross over the past 4 years - they've just spent a lot of it badly. Nor do I believe it's 'his' policy. You seem very quiet on why Ashley sanctions expensive signings like Cabella?

Newcastle's starting XI last year was; proof that people prefer transfers to actual football.

Krul, Santon, Taylor, Colo, Debuchy, Tiote, Sissoko, Cabaye, Remy, Ben Arfa, Cisse

And we didn't replace anyone the season we looked like going down. We didn't sell anyone to proceed it. People just merge together bits of history to make their own narrative.

The major problems that year was Cabaye going missing, HBA getting injured, Tiote's form going, Anita and Amalfitano being bad signings and Cisse struggling.
Poe
17 years ago
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Our starting 11 was great at the start of last year. We decimated it throughout due to a poor manager and selling key players.

Clubs need to sanction expensive signings now and then - teams need to been freshened up and improved upon every year or they go stale as teams work out how to play against them - that's just logic.

We've got the same central defenders in our team that got us promoted from the Championship - that's just not good enough - especially when two of them aren't anything special.

We've spent 80m yeah, but the majority of that is replacing players that we should have kept.

The season we finished 5th - we should have improved the team to make sure it wasn't a fluke - buying 1 poor central midfielder was an absolute disaster and contributed to our poor season when we were in Europe.

The season we spent big in January should have been followed up with a summer of activity too - to get us back in the top 7, but we only succeeded in making 1 loan signing then absolutely nothing in January - except selling Cabaye.
Tommo.
12 years ago
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We lost Shola, Remy and De Jong and replaced them with Perez, Riviere and Ferrerya - two of those have flopped so the issue with me is more to do with the guy in charge of buying the wrong players.


I haven't really seen much of Newcastle this season so I'm interested to see which two have flopped? I guessing one is Riviere and the other guess would be Ferrerya just because I haven't heard much about him this year
bmg033
10 years ago
4 months ago
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What has happened to Ferrerya? He is a monster for Newcastle on one of my saves on FM, but I don't remember seeing him play for Newcastle in real life.
Poe
17 years ago
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Not physical enough, apparently - he hasn't been given a chance though.

He's apparently injured atm.

Think he was brought in on Coloccini's recommendation and he just wasn't good enough, basically.
Number 1
16 years ago
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Transfer Market has worked out that we've made a loss of roughly £25million in transfers since the start of the summer 2011 window (The one after AC left). Even if you add the 2010-11 business, the summer spending means we're still about half a million in the red. Oddly £88million is what has been spent on transfers (may've confused gross for net spend, hence the initial planned rebuttal), but if our net spend since return to the BPL in 2010 is yet to reach a million quid, there's still the room for manouevre.

Certainly, its clear the central defensive area as a whole is past it and has been for a while, yet it seems to have slipped in priority. Pardew's failure to get to grips with Yanga-Mbiwa has really left us in trouble there.

I think most fans were hoping for more quality. Naturally, I don't think we expected Siem de Jong to be a semi-permanent crock, or Riviere and Ferreyra to be so hopeless. The ideas were there, but the execution is not, as said. But equally so, its not as if we couldn't afford more. It's not as if we're going to go bust anytime soon.

Nevertheless, it appears there'll be another overhaul in the summer anyway. Personally I think it could be relatively simple - say, one new winger, one new CB and one new striker to replace Gouffan, Williamson and Riviere. But maybe something more comprehensive is planned. Who knows. Still a while before the transfer fun and games anyway.





Meanwhile, the more I hear about the Rangers five, the more I get bewildered how it happened. Did we just pick players at random and dump them there?

The Bigirimana thing is particularly puzzling. Surely we knew he has the illness being discussed, and surely someone must've pointed out that the SPFL didn't allow players with the condition he has to play.
Number 1
16 years ago
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Didn't you want rid of Jonas then?

Its a tricky one - most of us weren't impressed by Jonas' 2012-13 performances anyway, and I think we would've been a bit more sensitive had we realised his body was going through such a troublesome time. When he was loaned to Norwich I thought it was just to get him game-time after an injury, which in fairness to Pardew might have been what the line of thought was, even if he said it in an extremely idiotic way.

I imagine he'll stay for next year at least tbh. Then again I'm yet to watch a game in full since his return to the first team fold, so I don't know how well he has or hasn't played. But judging by what I've red, heard and seen in highlights, I'm thinking Ryan Taylor is the one in bigger danger of being let go at present.
What has happened to Ferrerya? He is a monster for Newcastle on one of my saves on FM, but I don't remember seeing him play for Newcastle in real life.

He played some pre-seasons games, one Capital One Cup tie, was on the bench a few times and hasn't been seen in quite a while.
Number 1
16 years ago
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Fecking double. Or in this case a triple.
Poe
17 years ago
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I can't see Jonas' contract being renewed - without major wage cut anyway.
Shola
15 years ago
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I think the biggest failings have been in the buying players - Anita, Cabella, MYM, De Jong and Riviere, Ferrerya, De Jong, Amalfitano have cost the club most of the budget and haven't really done much. Yet Graham Carr is above criticism for some reason.

HBA basically retiring and Tiote stop playing hasn't helped. And having about 8 injuries at once consistently for 18 months is awful. Should definitely be looked into. Summed up by giving Rangers a bunch of players who can't even get on the pitch.

And whoever is in charge of transfers have let far too many squad players go - Shola, Perch, Jonas, Guthrie, Marveaux, Simpson, Lovenkrands, Routledge. Honestly beginning to fear relegation next year getting rid of Williamson for someone fancier but useless.

idk, I have very little faith in Charnley to correct any of this. And worried about his decisions in the summer.
Poe
17 years ago
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We need to appoint a qualified manager and change the backroom staff too - get rid of the cloggers, develop a philosophy and buy players that fit into it.

It's regularly square pegs and round holes at Newcastle.

Carver isn't the man to steer us forward, either.

Charnley is just a yes-man to Ashley.
Number 1
16 years ago
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I think one of the issues is that players were bought for a manager that wanted to play a different philosophy. Under the right manager, MYM would've been a success, but Pardew clearly didn't rate him, for example. It seems to me Pardew has the players he wants for his ideas at CPFC, or at least for now. The way around it is more input from the manager to get the players for the positions he thinks need it, and a final yes/no on potential targets for each position, plus coaching staff who know what they're doing to make it happen. But the board's control seems to hint that the two are going to be kept absent from one another again.

The odd thing with fitness is that we hired a fitness coach with a good reputation, and yet we seem to have gone backwards on injuries. Fuck knows how that's happened.

It is true we have very little strength in depth, but that's been the case for quite a while. Lee Charnley is presumably not the person for it - at no other club would someone make him an MD, or at least so quickly, and he looks like a fish out of water already.
Number 1
16 years ago
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Reportedly next season's kit: https://twitter.com/NUFC_Stats/status/583922575492939776

Still not sure what the point of grey kits is.
Shola
15 years ago
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Reckon that rise in expenses is due to Kinnear being an expert administrator imo, where missing his financial expertise and unparalleled budgetary supremacy.
Number 1
16 years ago
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Noted elsewhere is our presence in a long-read on the Guardian. I'm not sure it taught many things new, but still a curious enough read: http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2015/apr/03/newcastle-united-mike-ashley-david-conn
Poe
17 years ago
2 weeks ago
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Krul
R.Taylor, Janmaat, Williamson, Colback
Jonas, Sissoko, Gouffran
Ameobi, Cabella, Perez

We'll get absolutely hammered if the above rumoured team is true.

4-0-6 is how that formation will play out.
Number 1
16 years ago
10 months ago
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The Pardew Out brains trust has now established an Ashley Out campaign, and is calling for a boycott of the Spurs game in 11 days time.

Bet it still gets 50k. But maybe it is the start of a crusade to get the Sports Shite git out, and it seems like we haven't really had a concrete opening to any such campaign yet, or at least failed to capitalise on various attempts.
Shola
15 years ago
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No one who has bought a ticket will boycott.

Shame they won't fuck off permanently, football was a lot funner when there was only 40,000 in the stadium.
Number 1
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Three years ago today. To think its all gone wrong for him (and us) since.
Poe
17 years ago
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Only buying Vernon Anita in the summer after we finished 5th was crazy.

Should have brought Sissoko, Gouffran, Mbiwa and Debuchy in in the summer instead of waiting until January (which was going to be July but relegation looked a serious possibility)

Could have had a team of:

Krul

Debuchy Mbiwa Coloccini Santon

Tiote

Cabaye Sissoko

Ben Arfa Cisse Ba


Could have done something that team.
Obtuse
15 years ago
3 years ago
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Should have kept hold of Mbiwa. Superb defender

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