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#170073 Interview with Shrewnaldo
HUNT3R
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03 Jun 2014 17:56:34
I'm glad you clarified. Thanks for that. I understand your point much better now.

You'll have this, unfortunately. There will be some exploits that you wittingly or unwittingly use or fall victim to. Situation 1 could be a "logical" tactic where certain ME characteristics cause it to be more or less successful.

Situation 2, as a moderator, we'd have to tell the user that his tactics are good and logical. We'd have to point out that the only reason it's failing is because of a problem with the offside trap instruction and recommend the he/she not use it until the next update.

Not too sure about situation 3, I'll be honest.

I think you're bringing up an issue that I touched on at the end of my post.

Perhaps there's something to be said about the seemingly "major" changes from update to update? Personally, it doesn't really affect me, so I'd want SI to carry on and do their thing. I can see how it can be frustrating though.
#169988 Interview with Shrewnaldo
HUNT3R
17 years ago
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03 Jun 2014 12:26:04
Interesting interview and I respect your views, Shrewnaldo. I won't argue with your other points, because I feel they're your views and both sides (positive and negative) need to be heard. You've given constructive criticism here which is always useful to grow a product. I would like to address one point though; your views on "logical" systems.

I'm surprised that you don't get (or maybe you do get it, but you're just criticising) why people advocate using a "logical" balanced system over a tactic that exploits the ME. The tactic based on football logic will always "work", regardless of which ME we're using. These systems rely on good movement between the lines, like a Fullback joining the midfield with a midfielder covering or a Striker dropping deep to create space for an Attacking Midfielder to exploit. Another key component is that you'll score a bigger variety of goals, because there are many different chances being created and it doesn't rely on one specific movement or player.

The exploitative tactics we see almost always take advantage of a certain ME weakness, which renders them ineffective when the weakness inevitably gets fixed. These tactics rely on one specific goal threat and you won't likely see a big variety in goals scored. They'll generally outperform "logical" tactics, but will need re-thinking with every patch/update which leads to a lot of confusion and myths like "the AI has found out my tactics" or "you have to change tactics with every new patch" because updates supposedly "break" tactics.

You'll see "logical" tactics also affected by ME changes, but because they don't rely on a single source of goals, they'll still generally perform as well as the did pre-patch. I had a 5-3-2 on an older ME (might have been early FM14 or even FM13) that worked well and I scored a fair amount of goals from everywhere. On one ME, my wingbacks were very dangerous and they I saw them run rings around opposition fullbacks. Probably 60% of my goals came from my wingbacks either scoring or assisting goals by leaving the fullback for dead. Because fullbacks were "weak", D-lines were quite deep and midfield lines were also quite deep to deal with the crosses and cut-backs, that meant that my 2 strikers and AMC didn't get as much space as they "normally" would, but they still scored goals.

Then an update came round. Fullbacks started defending better and wing-play was more intelligent. I didn't change a thing. Obviously my wingbacks performed worse than before, now scoring/assisting maybe 30% of my goals. All that happened, was that my AMC and 2 Strikers started being more involved in creating and scoring goals. Where my wingbacks couldn't get past the fullback, they'd pass it on to the front 3, who now had more space because D-Lines and midfield lines were "back to normal". On the whole, I was still getting the same results as before and over-achieving as much as I did pre-patch.

The exploit tactics that had wide players on "dribble more" and "exploit flanks" and relied solely on them getting past the fullback often to create/score had to be ripped up and completely new tactics had to be created, while some of us were wondering what all the fuss was about.

Perhaps there's something to be said about the seemingly "major" changes from update to update? Personally, it doesn't really affect me, so I'd want SI to carry on and do their thing. I can see how it can be frustrating though.