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Here, although they are mostly custom (ie not the teams actual kits) and you may have to update the colours of some clubs away kits in the editor prior to use. 

https://sortitoutsi.net/content/58018/ireland-lower-leagues-levels-2-5-3d-standard-2020custom

Not initially. You'll either have to wait for them to be promoted from the Galway Junior League to the playable Ulster/Connaught Senior League - or you could swap Athenry with a UCSL or League of Ireland side in the editor before beginning a save game. 

Fantasy 3D and Standard 2D kits for a new Dublin-based Premier League side:

Interested in playing as Dublin? Check out the British isles Premier league thread:
https://sortitoutsi.net/content/58559/british-isles-premier-league-and-unity-cup-scottish-and-irish-sides-moved-to-the-epl-with-graphics

Hi, is anyone able to do this for me?!

Cheers.

Edit: Here's a good precedent:

 

V3.0 is here, which will most likely be the final edit to this.

It includes 4 different CWC versions and was developed in partnership with Carlito85 so that it is now compatible with his excellent UEFA Revival files. 

Any questions, let me know. 

Thats awesome, very helpful, thank you!

Is there any way to create a state date in the distant future, such as in 2025 or 2030?

I'm messing around with the World Cup 2026 format but simming that far takes nearly an hour each time, which makes testing much more difficult. 

Hi! I'll test this next week and let you know. If its one that merges CONMEBOL and CONACAF then it won't work, but if the two confederations are kept separate it should still work as planned. 

I can made another version of this which is compatible with the CONMEBOL/CONCAF merger. 

Updated the OP now, but the issue isn't fully resolved unfortunately. Seems to behave as expected more often then not, but will occasionally still host an entire tournament in a single stadium. One caveat is that matches are being offset, not being played simultaneously, so it's at least possible for a stadium to hold a tournament in this way, however unlikely. 

Will continue to explore ways of fixing it but kind of bored of trying to be honest- I'm fairly certain the issue is hardcoded into the game as it affects the default Club World Cup even more severely. I'd still recommend using this database as it's an improvement on the in-game default. 

v02 live now.

• Improved (but not fixed) the issue above with host / stadium selection.
• Also added a rule so that the previous edition's CWC winner and runners up automatically qualify for the Preliminary round.

Hi, testing something along those lines and results are looking positive so far, will let you know what happens. 

I've realised this issue exists in the default 21.4.0 database too. The new structure only begins in 2025 and works correctly in Japan that year, but every tournament beyond this is held in a single stadium, see below.

Therefore if you use the default database, only 3 club world cups will be played between 2022 and 2030 (they start being played every 4 years) and beyond 2025 the host stadiums are broken.

Have raised in the SI bugs forum but won't hold my breath for a fix. 

Yep, fixtures are set up right. The competition works correctly about 50-60% of the time, with eight stadiums holding matches as they should, but sometimes the host ois a single stadium and all matches are played there. Screenshots below to demonstrate- 

2021- Competition correctly held in Japan

2023- Competition held in Estadio La Cartuja de Seville, Spain

2025- Competition held in Celtic Park, Scotland

2027- Competition correctly held in Brazil

2029- Competition correctly held in France

2031- Will be South Korea, I expect this will work correctly

Have attached the latest file if anyone else wants to look. Also contains other club competitions I was working on, based on an original database by @rabcp

No not yet. I thought I'd cracked it but still not working, still playing entire tournaments with a single stadium. 

Yeah, gave that a try too but I think the issue is that certain host rules are hard coded into the competition and can't be overridden.

I think I've solved the issue though. Just want to extensively test, but will upload later today if it's all working. 

I copied the competition into a different advanced rules file to break the connection with the competition ‘file’, which sometimes breaks some of those hardcoded rules. My initial test suggests the host selection is still random but multiple stadiums are always used, which is good. Going to try to limit the host nations to a more limited and realistic pool, but if that can't be done, I'm not too worried. 

Before:

Now:

@hammer9  Would you be able to do a new minimalist version of the Dublin City logo?

In addition to the burning castle(s), It could introduce elements such as the Celtic Harp, Corvus upon a hurdle sable or Shamrock. The Trinity College coat of arms is perhaps a good precedent, and below are a few others I particularly like. I'm undecided on the name of the new club, it may be Dublin Mórrígan instead of City, so not bothered if the logo doesn't contain text, or if you could share the Psd/Ai file for me to edit the name later that would be amazing. 

Thanks!

So this is the issue- you can set specific stadiums for fixtures in ‘Stadiums for fixture’ or in the stages themselves, but this won't affect host selection. Do if you run that database, your hosts will continue to cycle through Japan, Italy, Holland ect. ect. whilst the matches will continue to be played in Japan. Equally, change those stadiums to three in a different country and the ‘host’ will still be Japan for the first edition, regardless of where the matches are actually played. 

I could make multiple versions of this competition with different stadiums in each year, but the ‘host’ wouldn't match the actual host.

The issue is even if I list all the possible host nations, and specify the stadiums included, random hosts (individual stadiums) are still sometimes selected. When you specify a list of host stadiums, the host should be selected exclusively from that list- so it might be a bug.

Have also tested every combination of the ‘Host nation’ ‘pick from…’  setting- still doesn't work. 

Think that's how it is set up already? Works for some nations just fine, but then some nations just pick one stadium and hold all matches there (which obviously couldn't happen IRL because the matches are happening simultaneously at times). 

Will keep investigating. 

Have raised this issue here.

https://community.sigames.com/forums/topic/552050-custom-continental-club-qualification-system-changes-domestic-league-appearance/

@Carlito85 

Would be good if people could add a few comments showing the strength of feeling about this issue. 

Yes have looked at this before but unfortunately this system means the leagues no longer show the green and blue bands indicating European qualification for finishing in certain places, which is pretty frustrating. If this problem was fixed, it would be great!

Just to follow up on this- if the clubs were to join a super league but be kicked out of their respective Football Associations, removed from their domestic divisions, and banned from UEFA and FIFA competitions, then setting up the ESL as a nation is an alternative to making it a continental competition. By doing this, you can move those teams completely out of their national football associations, and out of UEFA, and potentially make players forefit their national team eligibility by becoming an ESL ‘citizen’, allowing them to play in the ESL but barring them from internationals. 

Anyway, all hypothetical now!

I still dont believe there's any way to edit which teams qualify for the Champions League/ Europa league ect. without rebuilding the competitions from scratch (which means you lose the colours and 'qualified for' annotations in the domestic top divisions). The method you describe in the other thread allows you to edit the Champions League itself but not the teams that qualify or it (For example, if I wanted to make 8 English teams qualify and no Spanish teams- that would not be possible). This means that if you create the Super League as an additional European competition, you'll have to rebuild the continental club structure from scratch to set which clubs qualify for it. 

If I'm wrong about that though, and there is a way of editing which teams from which nations qualify for UEFA Competitions, I would love to know!

Wanted to try this so had a go. Players simply won't join and change their nationality even though they are eligible (they quite happily take dual nationality if its on offer but won't relinquish their main nationality). This means by 2025 there's no players or staff left, and the league and clubs become crap, even though the clubs have $Billions in the bank. Not sure what the solution is for this test- maybe making the ESL a proper playable nation would help?

In case anyone's interested, Wolves and Leicester dominate in the PL in the absence of the ‘Franchise Six’.

 

Yes but this won't stop those players moving in the first place, whereas if the nation and competition rules are changes then the ESL clubs will find it harder to sign players who also want to play for their country. If you just use FMRTE then the ESL clubs will continue to sign anyone as players would only be banned from internationals after joining. 

Working with a youtuber might get this wider publicity is all I'm thinking, but thanks for creating this file for now anyway it looks great, and as I say i'm happy to help with editing if you need it. 

Happy to help out with the editing if I can be of use. Just looked into point 5 quickly. Could be done by setting ‘Does not allow Dual Nationality: Yes’ and 'Years to gain nationality = 0' in the standard database, and then in advanced nation rules for ‘JP Morgan land’ set Fixture Rules > Squad selection rules > Foreign players in squad = 0 and make sure that set of fixture rules applies to the ESL. That way any player who joins an ESL club must forfeit their own nationality and therefore be ineligible to play for their country of birth. 

Nice job everyone!

Please can we get one of the FM youtubers on board and simulate what happens under some of these scenarios? I think they'd be really popular videos even among those who don't play FM. For example, I'd love to see:
 

1. The top 6 join the new ESL but are removed to the National League North/South as punishment. Same in Italy and Spain. Do they gradually work their way up to the EPL or get stuck in the lower leagues? Does the ESL Reputation remain the same or decline?
    
2. Same as the above- but the FA/EFL ban these teams, so they cannot be promoted from the National League. Again, does their reputation decline as they play in a lower domestic league?
    
3. The top 6 are thrown out to the National League N/S but the Super league fails, so these clubs have to work their way back to the top without additional income. Do they regain their place at the top of the PL over time or remain established in the lower leagues? 
    
4. The top 6 join a super league with a full schedule of matches, but are completely removed from the English pyramid and cups. Do they prosper?
    
5. Same as idea 4 but Super League players are banned from international competitions. Does that affect the quality of the ESL? Could involve some tricky editing to make ESL players become ‘JP Morgan Land’ nationals, but making them forefit their home nationality? 
    
6. Potentially the most likely but worst scenario, the Super League becomes a tier above the Champions League, but the top 6 remain in the Premier league as well. How dominant do they become? What's the Premier League's ‘battle for 7th’ like? 

As they're already in the game, I'm not planning to create any new / custom version of these.

I was thinking of starting a save with Cardiff Draconians so created a custom logo, 2D Standard and 3D kits.

The logo is bespoke, but inspired by ROCHEYB's custom logos on FM-base.   
 

The home kit is a classic but bespoke black and white stripe design with red socks. 

The away kit, inspired by a 'Kit Factor' design, brings together elements from the club's new badge with other icons that represent the city's identity. 

The third kit is predominantly red with subtle elements of the Glamorgan flag. This will only display in-game if you've added it into your database. 

Draconians are currently in the non-playable Ardal leagues but you can move them to the Crymu South or English system in the pre-game editor if you wish, and adjust the kits to match these colours. 

If you use a logo megapack, I suggest replacing the Dracs logos in that megapack with the logos in this file.

Yeah I've made one, here:
 

https://sortitoutsi.net/content/57769/republic-of-ireland-lower-regional-league-database

Will have a kit pack to match ready in the next few days. 

Edit: Is fictional though- I'm not aware of any with the real-life lower league structure but I'm sure one exists. 

Save the FMF and/or XML files in this folder and you should be able to start a new game with this database loaded.

Documents > Sports Interactive> Football Manager 2021 > editor data

You could also save the .fm files in this folder to load the ready-made save game:

Documents > Sports Interactive> Football Manager 2021 > games

Haven't updated this for the new database, although I imagine it wlll work fine if you test and verify in the editor. Reason is I'm still developing these leagues alongside wider changes to the British Isles league system, which I'll share when done. I'm also illustrating kits for Ireland's Steps 2-5 so will share those when done. 

Fantastic, thank you!

Thanks again for this WestFM. They look incredible.

Would you be able to include some standard kit templates in your file? I'm looking to create kits right down to the Irish amateur leagues, many of which don't have websites so I'm not going to match them accurately, but if I have a few blank Adidas / Umbro / Nike kit templates to work with I can quickly add kits for these teams by slapping logos on and changing the colours to match. Could just be 3D source files with logos removed?

If this isn't possible, don't worry!