Apologies @snrsarg the intention was/is for classic fm to be a separate project, in 12 months time sortitoutsi will have totally transitioned to the new game and the new unity engine leaving the old stuff behind. It's too messy, both from a UI perspective and the extra work for moderators, to try and manage 20 “classic” versions and the new versions. We always leave older versions behind to focus on the new ones. That's why Classic FM was meant to exist as a stand alone project to manage that.

However setting up platforms to handle things like payments and downloads is complicated and takes time, (you definitely don't want to rush handling payments!) so in order to get the actual content out as fast as possible I wound up reusing all the sortitoutsi stuff and now the originally intended separation isn't there and it's a bit messy and unclear and people are understandably confused.

But to try and explain as clearly as possible the reason they're separate is because they're going to be separate projects, separate websites, separate server resources, separate people running it, separate everything.

When FM25 comes out with a totally different UI and engine we will need totally different data updates, totally different graphics, kits will be a different format, logos and faces will be different sizes etc. It will confuse the hell out of users if they are constantly being presented with multiple options and have to choose the right ones and it will stress the hell out of moderators who constantly have to deal with their support requests and it will piss off creators if they're being asked to create everything twice in two different formats. Essentially I think trying to do that could wreck sortitoutsi completely.

So it's better separate and they are separate.

The lines between the two are blurry now because (1) Both sites are still on FM24 rather than one being FM24 and another being FM25. SI kind of threw me a last minute curveball there I wasn't prepared for and (2) the logins and payments are integrated, simply because I was excited to get it out asap and not spend months passing security tests on a new domain which isn't fun.

Come March/April the separation will be obvious and you can choose to stick to the old generation or continue with the new generation of FM. In my mind long term they will wind up being completely separate communities with different players and creators. Just like the old CM community is totally separate from the newer FM community now. At least that's the vision.

I get why you wanted to keep it separate, I don't get why you feel the need to make the latest data update for the current game, an additional cost.

I paid for a premium membership for two reasons:

The wonderful updates the SUSIE team have created over the past 20 years or so
The discounted purchase of the full game

As neither of those are fully available right now, there seems no point continuing to pay

Do you even have permission from SI to charge for data updates, not sure this isn't a breach of their commerical rights

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31 Oct 2024 12:02:08

For info, I have just suspended my premium membership from the next due date.

This is 100% in protest at the layered premium options introduced asking for further monies for the proper data update files.

I'll resume membership when a proper data update, with updated attributes, is resumed

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04 Nov 2023 00:00:26

424 Wing Galore from chizinha holds 2nd place currently

#1 is 343 Italian KO III

#3 is FM24 4132 Cookie Roasted

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By coffee cup 03 November 2023 - 23:37 PM UTC

snrsarg

I'm with you on this one his tactics are not good anymore so stopped myself from downloading them..

One i still follow is Delicious Tube better content and every tactic is amazing ,check him out !

Indeed, Delicious is #1 and #3 in my tactics tests so far in beta - and two more in #8 and #9 positions out of a total 33 tactics tested now

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14 Sep 2022 21:55:28

Any reason I cannot find Jobe Bellingham anywhere, loaded a new game with updated data and a 70k player database, but he is nowhere to be seen, one of Birmingham's brightest prospects

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