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By The Platypus | Permalink | On 21 November 2012 - 09:27 AM
Wow, Roman really is mental.

I can see why he's done this tbf.

He was obviously unconvinced by his Champion's League success, and any idiot can see why. It was the most fortuitous win the competition has ever seen. he's then handed a team that he'd be hard pressed not to do well with, with the exception of the lack of a top class centre-forward and shows no sign of being able to do anything when things have gone tits up in the past month.

He did well for what he was initially needed for. But I don't think you really can attribute his success last season to any managerial nous, and if you discard that and treat him on the merits of this season he's been rank average.
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I never really wanted RDM to have the job full time, but now that he did get it, I thought he'd get more time.

I guess I'm naive.
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Similar situation to us and Kenny, in that his early results were so good that it kind of forced your hand into giving him more time. Should have just cut the cord in the summer and gone after somebody high profile straight away.
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I don't understand why Roman fired a man who won him FA Cup and Champions League, and the team is like 3rd or what in the table... But it's his choice.

But if Rafa goes to Chelsea, the betrayal of Liverpool is complete
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By Abbott | Permalink | On 21 November 2012 - 09:51 AM
Similar situation to us and Kenny, in that his early results were so good that it kind of forced your hand into giving him more time. Should have just cut the cord in the summer and gone after somebody high profile straight away.


I think that's what Roman wanted to do, but no one high profile wanted to commit.
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It's crazy imo, he's been asked to revamop the way they've played, and yes, he's been given a lot of money to spend, and they started well, but it was never going to be perfect to start with, surely if Roman wants a new style, he needs to give a manager time to implement it properly?
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Deploying secret agent Benitez.

http://soccerlens.com/files/2008/08/rafa-benitez-2.jpg
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By Crane | Permalink | On 21 November 2012 - 12:40 PM
Deploying secret agent Benitez.

http://soccerlens.com/files/2008/08/rafa-benitez-2.jpg

Yes, that would be OUR secret agent Benitez.

There's some sense to appointing him to till the end of the year. He's the only manager that's ever consistently got Fernando Torres playing like the worlds best striker (even though he was good in his Atletico days he stepped up massively for Liverpool) so as we all know Abramovich is such a huge Torres fan AND has shelled out so much money on him I guess it does make sense to reunite the two as a desperate final attempt to get him playing well.

Additionally, I don't see anyone being scared off of the Chelsea job. If you're sacked the blame will be given to Abramvich, if you somehow succeed then immortality awaits. And either way you're going to get stinking rich.
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Rafa was brilliant for Liverpool. A side with Steve Finnan and Djmi Traore won the Champions League- and we got to a final, a semi, and a quarters, as well as being constantly in the top 4, and won a cup or two. Excellent manager who lost the plot by thinking Gareth Barry was better than Xabi Alonso.

You's will never get Pep, never.

What does Roman even think when he makes these decisions?
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He shouldn't have hired him in the first place, tbh. No idea who he'll get. Probably Guardiola, but maybe someone else.
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I get the impression Abramovich was just waiting for Di Matteo to slip up and for Chelsea to experience some bad form so he could show him the door. Guardiola has long been his number one target and giving Di Matteo a two-year contract gave the impression he was merely a stop-gap to something greater and that it wouldn't cost too much to dispose of him.
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I really wish Guardiola would just tell Abramovich that he'll never join, so the mad Russian can get that fucking idea out of his head.
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Pep won't join until the summer anyway so he's a bit premature
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They fired Eva Carneiro. She was the reason Chelsea lost or what?
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By Torri | Permalink | On 21 November 2012 - 17:59 PM
They fired Eva Carneiro.


Really? Haven't seen it reported. Hope she's still there
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Well, looks like its Rafa then.

Unfortunately I think he'll do very well.
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I don't even know anymore.

It feels extremely weird having Rafa as manager and seeing his photo on the website. Going to be even weirder seeing him on the touchline come match day.
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if i was a Liverpool fan I would flip on Rafa tbf.
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2 champions league finals including a champions league title, an FA Cup title, 2nd and 3rd place finishes and consistently CL qualification finishes- along with some really attractive, fast football and success we've not had since the late 80's.

Yeah, we should turn on him...
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Rafa Benitez was horrendous at Inter, this is a facht.
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By Tiki Tapas | Permalink | On 22 November 2012 - 16:15 PM
along with some really attractive, fast football

Please tell me that part was sarcasm.
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Why would we flip at Rafa? I'm not really happy about him going to Chelsea, but I wish him well. This guy has done a lot for the club, especially with Hillsborough so he's always going to be a legend here.
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Cameraman deserves a pay rise.


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Here are some facts about Fernando’s current physical condition that I found very important and clarifying, and I thought some of you might as well. Most of this was already well known before, but now there are bits of really insightful information that IMO allow us to understand his situation better. I wrote it in chronological order to give it more clarity and tried to remain as objective as possible.
What triggered this whole episode was the fact that Fernando went through a couple of knee injuries during 2009 and 2010 that left him on the sidelines for the most part of the season. Guillem Balague and some other well-respected journalists, later revealed that during this period of time, Liverpool chose to give Fernando either false or incomplete information about the progress of his injuries, the only purpose of this being that he would play more, as he was the team’s most important and consistent player then, and the one who’d been single handedly winning matches for them.
Fernando got two knee surgeries in the space of four months during that same season, and during his rehabilitation process, he pushed himself to the limit to make it to the World Cup. A few weeks later, he got a call up from Del Bosque to go to South Africa.
Spain lost their first match against Switzerland (a match Fernando didn’t start), which made Del Bosque re-shape his plans, and he included Fernando in the starting eleven for the next game.
Fernando still had some nagging pain, but his desire to be fit and attitude through his rehabilitation process encouraged the Spain medical staff to give him the green light to play for the rest of the tournament. His performances weren’t good and Del Bosque dropped him in favour of Pedro. He didn’t start in the final, but he played the extra time and got involved in the play that lead to Iniesta’s goal.
During the dying minutes of the match, Spain cleared a ball, which made Fernando sprint through the pitch, fall and get yet another painful groin injury. Shortly after that, the referee blew the final whistle and Spain became World Champions. Liverpool sacked Rafa Benitez and appointed Roy Hodgson, but his poor run of results caused the owners to sack him as well and in came Kenny Dalglish. All of this happened between the summer of 2010 and January 2011.
On January 31st, Liverpool sold Fernando to Chelsea. He wanted to leave and (contrary to what’s been said by both the club and most media outlets), Liverpool wanted to sell him as well. The Liverpool medical staff had known for a while that Fernando’s knee was still in a bad shape. The two surgeries he’d gone through and his rushed attempt to recover could prove to be fatal for him. But Liverpool firmly believed that if Chelsea were aware of that, they might not want to buy him anymore.
The last day of the transfer window arrived, and even though Fernando had voiced his desire to leave about three or four weeks before and handed in a transfer request shortly after, Liverpool only made it known to the public on January 29th, two days before deadline. Luis Suárez was close to signing for them and as the Fernando move was imminent, they lined up Andy Carroll as his replacement. Torres arrived to Chelsea on the last day of the transfer window with a few minutes to go until midnight. A few journalists (such as Duncan Castles and Ben Jacobs) have stated that Fernando didn’t go through a complete medical at Chelsea as the clock was ticking and he had to sign his contract as soon as possible. So, Liverpool didn’t let Chelsea know about his condition, but Chelsea didn’t test him right away either, just concluded from very superficial scans that he was “lack of match fitness”.
After Fernando left to London, a Liverpool staff member said: “When Fernando left Melwood that day we were conscious of the possibility that he might come back”, because they didn’t even think he’d pass the medical at Chelsea. But as there was no full medical and Chelsea never learned about his condition that day, Fernando signed for them and stayed. He arrived to London with a shot knee and to this day he hasn’t recovered from it. Liverpool knew this but chose to not disclose the information to Chelsea because they wanted to sell him and cash in while they could. Since then, Chelsea has found out about the problem, and hopefully has treated him accordingly. Earlier today, Ben Jacobs (who interviewed Rafa Benitez yesterday and talked about this situation with him), qualified Fernando’s injury as “degenerative”, and said the issue “has been apparent since before he moved from Liverpool, making that deal a fab bit of business”.
About eight days ago, Roman Abramovich called Rafa Benitez offering him the Chelsea job (way before the Juventus match took place), and Rafa accepted, but for obvious reasons, had to remain quiet about it. It is very likely that since then, the Chelsea medical staff has briefed him on Fernando’s situation (even though he already knew most of it because of their time together at Liverpool), as he told Jacobs that he knows about his condition in detail and that it’s the reason for his form and confidence issues.So, these are the hard facts. But in summary, Fernando was lied to and misinformed about possibly the single most important thing about his career by the very people he trusted to be honest to him about it, (which people knew about already because it’s been making the rounds since 2011 but it’s been made worse by the new information IMO). The Liverpool staff even thought he’d go back to Merseyside that same night on January 31th because they didn’t think he’d pass his medical at Chelsea.
I’ve seen some people refer to Fernando’s injury as either “degenerative” or “chronic”, like I mentioned above. It got to be that way because it wasn’t dealt with properly in the past. There was some negligence involved as LFC’s medical staff didn’t let Fernando know about the progress of his injury so he could play more, and because Fernando rushed his recovery so he could play at the World Cup. To this day, he’s still suffering the consequences from it. Both Chelsea and Benitez are aware of the situation now and are working for him to get better.
Now, it’s worth saying that we can’t be sure if this injury is “degenerative” in the sense that it gets worse with the passing of time and that the damage that’s been done to his knee is irrevocable, or “degenerative” in the sense that he’ll have some relapses from time to time but he’ll still be able to keep on playing at a good level. Let’s hope for the latter of course, it’s the less horrifying possiblity. And lastly, Fernando’s said several times before that there is a “truth” about the whole transfer and his last months at Liverpool that people don’t know about, that everything was not how it seemed/how it was portrayed, but that he doesn’t feel ready to talk about it just yet, though he might in the future when he’s not in the eye of the storm anymore.
A couple of the sources I've taken this from can be found on Twitter here: https://twitter.com/DuncanCast... and https://twitter.com/JacobsBenE... I forgot to say. It’s is very likely that we still don’t know plenty of things about this situation, but this is what there is out there atm. And tbh I’m not sure if I want to know more, it’s sickening enough as it is right now.
Edit 2: Also, I’d completely understand any scepticism on the matter. I would doubt it all myself (wouldn’t look at it twice actually) if the information had had come from the likes of The Mail, The Sun, or even The Mirror. But the articles were all published in The Times, The National, The Guardian and Spain’s El Imparcial, and the journos are well-respected and usually very reliable. That was the only thing that made my head turn. And not only most of the information is not new at all (as old as Feb. 2011), but Fernando has alluded to most things here himself and Rafa Benitez confirmed them to Ben Jacobs just the other day


Some random comment on The Guardian site about Torres, quite interesting
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How come ye cunts are in the Club World Cup and not Atletico Madrid?
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Because they won the CL...
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By tmatthew | Permalink | On 05 December 2012 - 17:20 PM
Because they won the CL...


Yeah, but imo it makes more sense that whoever wins the Super Cup plays in the Club World Cup thingy.

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