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Crane
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I wonder if there's some going "John Carver, all is forgiven". Although grant you I missed the game so can't make further comments other than those on statistical and match reports, all of which to point to three simple words - we were shite.
Sam
Funny as hell though.
Shola
Carver took 0.68 points per game = 26 points - dead certs for the drop
McClaren is taking .77 points per game = 29 points per season.
So McClaren and is new all star coaching squad, and £50m in investment will amount to an extra 3 points and still lead to relegation. Shocked that Charnley and Carr are still completely inept.
Useless Alan Pardew took 1.37 - A disgusting 52 points (and a cup run). - The lack of ambition is horrendous. We would have finished 10th for the second consecutive year. No one wants that.
Sam
£6.5M is a bargain.
Carroll.
Klopp even has clumsy Lucas playing, well still clumsy, but one of our most important players.
Number 1
Wouldn't exactly describe Pardew's end as halcyon days - were it not for a 90th minute equaliser at home to Hull and a similarly late one at Swansea, he would probably have gone in September/October last year. Yes, we were 4th on this day a year ago, but that was all down to 5 wins in a row. Take those away and 2014 was a long crock of shite.
Although compared with the appalling form in 2015, anything would feel like paradise.
Certainly, Carr's judgment has to be questioned when he decides Thauvin and Cabella were better purchases than Andre Ayew or Payet.
Eric Portapotty
Hindsight and all that, Cabella was brilliant in Montpellier's title winning season while Ayew wasn't quite the most professional bloke if his probalems with the Ghanian NT were anything to go by
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Number 1
Yeah, true. Although Cabella seems to have gone into even further reverse at Marseille.
Shola
And again you can't just write off his wins as not mattering - as they came in a run, its nonsensical. Pardew won 6 in a row once. - We've won 5 games since, against Villa, Hull, West Ham, Norwich and Bournemouth.
Based Jorge
I don't think it's make or break for Liverpool to finish in the top 4 this season, The Klopp machine has already started spinning & it's entirely feasible they finish there this season. Leicester have played about 2 decent teams so far and they're drop is inevitable. Only Spurs & Liverpool themselves are capable. I think no matter what that Liverpool will finish 4th next season regardless.
Shola
I have no idea how Newcastle can even fix the problem - we've gotten rid of Abeid, leaving Tiote as our only actual holding player - and he's never bloody fit. Meaning Anita, Colback or Gouffran will be shoehorned into a position that doesn't suit them and the defence is never properly shielded. - The double pivot has never worked.
We've now outlawed wingers, the club looked dangerous last year with Aarons, Obertan and Ameobi on the wing. - Now we're playing with two central midfielders on the wing. We have no width and are beyond predictable. Contrast Jonas' final game for the club with what Sissoko, Wijnaldum and Thauvin offer.
At striker Papiss Cisse was incredible last year. He scored 1 goal in 2 games before being ostracized - so we can get 'Mitrogoals' into the side - who spends the majority of the game looking slow and miscontrolling the game.
In theory out team has some talent - but I can't work out how to get a coherent team out of a side with no DM's or wingers. It was so glaringly obvious last season - but the club and fanbase are so moronic - instead choosing stupid non issues to focus on like blaming Mike Williamson for the midfield being totally unable to function post Pardew.
Number 1
It still took 2 months to get to such a position to win football games, which followed on from the woeful end of the previous season. Sure, the faintly ridiculous lengths Pardew Out eventually went to may well have been over-the-top criticism, but any other club would've pulled the trigger, and I don't think many would've complained.
I'm not saying the sequence doesn't matter - what I'm saying is all those wins all came in one month out of 9/10/whatever months of competitive football is played in a year, and doesn't really excuse the inconsistent remainder of it, plus there were a lot of sequences of fits and starts in his tenure - 2013/14 had one sequence of 4 wins in a row and ended with 7/8 lost. All I'm saying is that its too easy to romanticise Pardew's tenure and it wasn't exactly great either. Its just only really tempting to do so given the horseshit being served now.
But arguing the point now is basically arguing semantics. With the same idiots still running the gig at the top, and an even worse manager seemingly putting more focus into his spam e-mails, is anything going to change any time soon?
Shola
And yeah things can change quite quickly - Newcastle turned from a top 10 team to relegation fodder literally the moment they allowed Pardew to leave.
If Newcastle are still in serious relegation trouble by January surely Ashley will get rid of Carr and Charnley.
Sam
Ouch.
Number 1
I really don't think the problem starts and ends with Pardew leaving. There's systemic failures at play everywhere. In any case, Pardew had lost half of all league games in 2012/13 and 2013/14, and was already on his way to losing over 10-15 last season before leaving, and he looked spent at the end of the season in May 2014, be it the headbutt, the stadium ban, protests, the then-worst form by any Prem-era NUFC manager, the seemingly constant thrashings, etc. Sure, we finished 10th then, which would be an improvement on now, but given we wrote off half the season, I really don't think anyone cared long before the end.
We could argue from here on out about the merits or otherwise of Pardew post-May 2012, mind. Frankly, I don't see anything other than him winning on Saturday.
Dunno about Charnley and Carr but they can't be on a firm footing after this long series of fuck-ups.
BR.
Shola
I wonder if Newcastle might double down on Cathro - and try and get Nuno once he's sacked from Valencia.
Number 1
Its probably more fight than was shown on the playing surface in the last game tbf. Disappointed Coloccini stays as captain though.
Number 1
King Luis
Ninja
Can see this going the way of the Arsenal game...
bmg033
Sam
Carrick and Schweinsteiger playing together - no no no no.
Sam
What a game.
bmg033
Number 1
Seems to be us two in a race to the bottom. Clearly, the longer we keep McClaren, Charnley and Carr, the greater probability of relegation.
Surprised people haven't really gone to town yet on the fact Pardew is the latest to pump us. Maybe people know he used to lead us to defeats of a similarly wide margin on a frequent basis.
Shola
Even more incredible that we are absolutely desperate to sell Papiss Cisse. He's our best player by a mile at the minute.
We don't even seem to attempt to play to our strengths. Palace aren't world beaters - but at least them have actual tactics - attack at speed, attempt to get wingers one on one with full backs, put crosses into the box.
The incompetence of Charnley and Carr is staggering. Unbelievable to think we actively got rid of Perch, Abeid, Ameobi & Jonas. All in the name of progress and ambition.
bmg033
Number 1
He's completely lost whatever it was that made him desirable. He cost Derby promotion twice, and is taking us backwards. Which given we going that way very quickly in the first place is a fucking achievement.
He's just been on Sky and said the killer was the 4th goal, and the players were focused in the game. Fuck me he's delusional.
Charnley was a terrible appointment from day one but Carr is blowing it. Mbemba, Wijnaldum and Mitrovic all looked good earlier in the season, and now all of them appear to be on the same level as the morons already here. Its all eating the team from the inside and everyone playing looks like they lack heart or desire to even do anything remotely helpful.