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Eugene Lee
Jo got bashed pretty bad at Question Time. #carcrash
Grimnir
(I will still vote though, anything is better than Tories).
Eugene Lee
Grimnir
Even with them selling the NHS? Surely even staunch Tories can't get behind that...? Oh wait, they followed Boris into Brexit too...
Eugene Lee
Problem is all candidates seem weak at the moment. None seem credible nor strong. Which is why sadly I feel many will vote Torries although I'm hoping the Lib Dems would be able to prevent a total majority.
Eric Portapotty
Grimnir
Pretty much, unless you're pretty well off!
Feralki
Number 1
It was really fucking obvious the Remain vote was going to be divided into more options than a leave vote because they would just have the Tories at their beck and call and ready to pounce, and they fell for it. The Lib Dems pushed hard for this ballot in particular, thinking they were on to a win and it just blew up in their faces. I'm aware the SNP were - looks to me like they were ready to try and throw English Remainers under the bus to get independence.
So I think there's going to be resentment from this side for years, which is only going to increase from the Brexit side if it ends up being a disappointment/disaster.
DOROTHY WRIGHT
Having a second referendum without enacting the first, would have meant a leader making the unprecedented decision of being the first to ignore a democratic vote. The result was conclusive England overwhelmingly wants Brexit and you're Maths mean nothing. Labour were not standing as a Remain Party, some loyal Labour voters are still leavers and you have no clue how many. Boris got the second biggest vote in a UK Election ever in December a massive triumph. If the masses were as badly off as McDonnell (the main driver of the massacre Labour suffered) made out even with Brexit the Conservatives wouldn't have won.
Number 1
There was a stat the other day suggesting the majority of potential Tory voters who would have voted Remain in any second referendum were still going to stick with the Tory party despite that party's pro-Brexit position, which I reckon is a haul that got them over the line in a lot of Remain-voting seats in the South but which could've made things more interesting in a referendum context. I never said I assumed it would win - I agree there were still a fair wedge of Labour voters that back Brexit, and there's still people who didn't vote that may still want to just to say they still believe in it. But I don't think it was impossible Remain could've won a second ballot, even with that angle of "denying democracy", which is a great one for attack ads. Its more that they didn't try to even force it - it was always "now is not the time" when voting on a deal vs Remain was even something supported by some Leave voters in focus groups.
Instead you get an election where the Remain vote split more, and it was unlikely to stand a chance - even less so as Corbyn and the Lib Dems have big-time baggage, and in a few seats got in each other way. The tightness indicates they might've had a shot, although it probably still would've been very difficult. But its irrelevant now.
On the basis we've had a vote that has changed the make up of the House of Commons to an undeniably more pro-Brexit Parliament, all we can say now is that if Brexit doesn't happen next month, something very odd will have taken place.
Feralki
Thing that peeves me even more than the fact the referendum wasn't even binding, is that a party can lie continuously, avoid the media, smear other parties and shout "BREXIT!!!" repeatedly and get in power with a landslide. And that's after the little tidbit on page 48 of their manifesto saying "After Brexit we also need to look at the broader aspects of our constitution: the relationship between the government, parliament and the courts." Also worth noting that Boris is quite keen on the idea of the PM being untouchable by the supreme court, which doesn't sound very democratic to me personally.
kingrobbo
agree with you mate
regarding democracy the whole thing is stacked in favour of the tories thus the constituency set ups
the people need to wake up!!!
for democracy you need PR and each vote cast in the land is treated the same
based on this manufacture system it makes it almost certain that 1 party in particular will come out on top or very close to being top
votes cast just the 'top' parties show how the election certainly is not democratic
a party in a 'democracy' with less votes than Labour/Libs combined has 150 more seats ???LOL
hell even with SNP added to Lab/Libs they have over a 100 more Mps its a broken system, British people need to wake up and see what is glaringly obvious the system is rigged
kingrobbo
last night Labour and Libs got smashed in terms of seats ......yet put the total votes cast for these 2 parties together and its more than the tories yet under the great UK democracy that = 150 less seats...strange that , democracy my arse
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-2019-50779901
makes me feel sick looking at that graph the MSM are in rapture at the glorious Tory win yet no one .. no one dares ask the real questions because it would result in real democracy and we cant have that
kingrobbo
total votes cast in 2019 to main parties 30.4m approx
Between the main parties it would roughly result in this outcome (and IMO when you get a fair system where people know their vote for a 'smaller' party isnt wasted as it is now in the first past the post, more votes would be picked up by the Libs/Greens etc)
This would obviously change slightly as some of the allocation of sets is skewered for Scotland/N.Ireland but the outcome wouldnt be much different
the big gains would be the middle ground the difference is massive from 11 to approx 80 WOW
302 Cons
223 Lab
80 Lib Dem
28 SNP
13 Green
4 other
Eugene Lee
So like it or not, I believe that many Brits voted Boris because he offered the quickest way to resolve this Brexit issue. Whether he'll sell the NHS, US or destroy the UK economy or become Trump 2.0, I don't think for a second many Brits cared. Hence many of those who were on the fence voted for the Conservative.
My conclusion is this, many Brits on the whole just want to "Get Brexit Done"
Feralki
I'm too tired from work to go into mass amounts of detail as to why the whole thing is a mess, but ultimately we've been shafted by Cameron harder than that poor pig.
kingrobbo
great analogy there mate LOL
bottom line Britain thinks it a democracy yet its still being governed by the establishment public school boy elite
wont change until the public wake up
Brexit is complete lunacy its based on lies and false jingoism fueled by the BS spouted by the glove puppets in the MSM
some people will make a fortune out of it and it wont be the great British public
Feralki
A large part of the conservative party are elitist and also more than a little bit racist, certainly Boris Johnson is, again he wants to rework the "relationship" with the courts to give the PM untouchable power (hm that's weird), and "Getting Brexit Done" is basically going to be like cutting off your hand to get rid of a splinter, we're not gonna get a good deal out of it because the conservatives think it's too much pain to negotiate, and they're not thinking about how much of a pain it's going to be just cutting off from the EU... bloody hell it goes round in circles we're shagged.
Brexit wasn't even a legally binding referendum, it was basically a "what do you think?" based on a word and a notion.
I'm just waiting for the protesting to begin now.
kingrobbo
Oldest trick in the book don't look at what I am accuse someone else and then with the help of your mates in the media ......
Oh and avoid any hard debates etc
It's unbelievable
Feralki
kingrobbo
Eugene Lee
In my personal opinion, David Cameron was elected & reelected as PM without the Brexit issue, which shown the high level of faith the public has in him & his plans for UK. So I personally feel that he would have handled Brexit in a better way & would have gotten home from Brussels with a better & stronger deal.
Now that Boris has been reelected & with a strong mandate to boot, I guess we just have to live with it & pray hard that he manages to avoid being eaten alive by the rest of Europe once trade & immigration talks begin.