kingrobbo
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Something I havent really tried before but I am looking at changing the qualification structure and then the finals of these competitions so they will not be seeded

 

So you could end up with top heavy groups that would bring a chance for smaller nations to firstly qualify and  go deeper into the actual finals

kingrobbo
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wondering if you guys have tried anything like this and can give a tip or two before I start @Carlito85  @Krlenjushka    

 

 

I have done this for champions league groups with no issues, but a brief look at the International rules and I thought I would ask you 2 first just in case you had done something like this previously

cheers guys   

 

obviously anyone who can provide input is appreciated too😉

 

 

 

 

kingrobbo
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This seems to work in UEFA champions league in that I get all the top seeded club teams in the same groups

 

but with the World Cup I would still like to keep countries from regions apart eg Europe/S. America etc

 

kingrobbo
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 In game this is the result with club rule changes for UCL

kingrobbo
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not getting this to work seems to override to default rules- teams are seeded for the draw even though I have removed that option but other changes to the comp is working

 

changes to sub rules  4 from 12 etc are showing along with ABA penalty format

so looks like there are some hard coded rules 👎

Carlito85
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I'm not too familiar with the process for international competition rules, but I would have thought that it could be done the same way using the advanced rules in the editor. The qualifiers would be the tough part to figure out I'd imagine with there being different regions etc.

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By Carlito85 29 March 2021 - 15:15 PM UTC 

I'm not too familiar with the process for international competition rules, but I would have thought that it could be done the same way using the advanced rules in the editor. The qualifiers would be the tough part to figure out I'd imagine with there being different regions etc.

 

yes mate Ive had a play around and sods law everything I changed that I didnt want in game(just a test to see if I can override the rules)works…the one thing I want to implement gets overridden 🤦

kingrobbo
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By Carlito85 29 March 2021 - 15:15 PM UTC 

I'm not too familiar with the process for international competition rules, but I would have thought that it could be done the same way using the advanced rules in the editor. The qualifiers would be the tough part to figure out I'd imagine with there being different regions etc.

 

got this working now(well read on😉) abandoned Advanced Rules and went basic rules set up the qualifiers and World Cup👍

 

took over Germany to view the draw(previously you received a message saying Germany was seeded in the top seed group…now it doesnt say that)

 

result no seeded draw in qualification and finals its a free draw also increased teams to 64 so more nations are at the finals😁

kingrobbo
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However after doing this and making no changes to UEFA Nations EUROS at all its missing in game, the qualifiers too

its as if just changing the World Cup has removed the EUROS😠🤦😲

 

kingrobbo
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cracked it made a new set of rules for EUROS and qualifiers and the issue IMO was not having EUROS in 2020, then having it in 2021 and trying to run it in 2024 wasnt working 

 

 so instead I am going with 2021 and every 4 years from there seems to solve the problem, not ideal but works and I have random groups now, not seeded which is what I wanted👍

wfm18
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This is like the dream of how the UCL should be. However big clubs and money rule the game… I never understood why the first 3 countries deliver 12 out of the 32 clubs and then also receive extra points by the UEFA for their ‘qualification’. I've always imagined to make a better/fair structure in FM, like the first 20 countries get a place, 12 clubs via those 2 paths, randomized/non seeded groups. Also financial aspects; UCL should have less prize money and Conference League and Europa League should pay more money to get equal balancing within leagues (look at a couple of smaller leagues in Europe, like Croatia: Dinamo has been champions for 20 years, just because they are the only club to receive massive loads of money from the UEFA).

 

How do you change those rules? Can you for example select per position on the ranking how many tickets the specific country receives?

Carlito85
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By kingrobbo 30 March 2021 - 05:52 AM UTC 

cracked it made a new set of rules for EUROS and qualifiers and the issue IMO was not having EUROS in 2020, then having it in 2021 and trying to run it in 2024 wasnt working 

 

 so instead I am going with 2021 and every 4 years from there seems to solve the problem, not ideal but works and I have random groups now, not seeded which is what I wanted👍

 

Brilliant work mate. Would it not be easier to have the Euros in 2020 and just ignore that it will be held in 2021 in real life? Maybe bring back the date of the 2022 World Cup to a regular summer schedule too?

Carlito85
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By wfm18 30 March 2021 - 07:55 AM UTC 

This is like the dream of how the UCL should be. However big clubs and money rule the game… I never understood why the first 3 countries deliver 12 out of the 32 clubs and then also receive extra points by the UEFA for their ‘qualification’. I've always imagined to make a better/fair structure in FM, like the first 20 countries get a place, 12 clubs via those 2 paths, randomized/non seeded groups. Also financial aspects; UCL should have less prize money and Conference League and Europa League should pay more money to get equal balancing within leagues (look at a couple of smaller leagues in Europe, like Croatia: Dinamo has been champions for 20 years, just because they are the only club to receive massive loads of money from the UEFA).

 

How do you change those rules? Can you for example select per position on the ranking how many tickets the specific country receives?

 

When recreating the competitions from scratch you can select the nation rankings and determine how many teams are allocated per nation, but it unfortunately won't change each year based on coefficients - it would have to be set in stone. I've recreated pretty much all of the old UEFA competition formats dating back to the 1970's in my UEFA Revival project for FM20 (currently trying to convert the files over for FM21) but I will try to add your idea as a new file.

kingrobbo
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By Carlito85 30 March 2021 - 17:31 PM UTC 

Brilliant work mate. Would it not be easier to have the Euros in 2020 and just ignore that it will be held in 2021 in real life? Maybe bring back the date of the 2022 World Cup to a regular summer schedule too?

 

that was my first thought too

however when I did that the Euros didnt take place in game it did however take place in 2024 but showed the winner then as being 2020, so some sort of bug 

😉

 

I may try later this week to put 2 sets of rules for the Euros see if I can one set just for 2021 and then get the other to start for 2024(with advanced rules would be easy to do that…but using those I cant get the non seeded groups to work lol)

kingrobbo
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By Carlito85 30 March 2021 - 17:39 PM UTC 

When recreating the competitions from scratch you can select the nation rankings and determine how many teams are allocated per nation, but it unfortunately won't change each year based on coefficients - it would have to be set in stone. I've recreated pretty much all of the old UEFA competition formats dating back to the 1970's in my UEFA Revival project for FM20 (currently trying to convert the files over for FM21) but I will try to add your idea as a new file.

@wfm18 as above mate

                                   

you can also impose specific rules on to the ‘elite’ clubs if you want to eg no Non EU players in match squad etc etc make it harder for them its something I like to do to get some balance in the game as its too heavy in favour of the big leagues/ clubs

Carlito85
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By kingrobbo 30 March 2021 - 18:58 PM UTC 

that was my first thought too

however when I did that the Euros didnt take place in game it did however take place in 2024 but showed the winner then as being 2020, so some sort of bug 

😉

 

I may try later this week to put 2 sets of rules for the Euros see if I can one set just for 2021 and then get the other to start for 2024(with advanced rules would be easy to do that…but using those I cant get the non seeded groups to work lol)

 

Excellent. Will definitely give this a download when it's ready.

kingrobbo
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By Carlito85 30 March 2021 - 21:43 PM UTC 

Excellent. Will definitely give this a download when it's ready.

wont  have chance over Easter but hopefully soon

 

wfm18
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What's the progress on this? 🙂 It's even more relevant than ever since we now have the Super League discussion 😛

kingrobbo
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By wfm18 19 April 2021 - 08:26 AM UTC 

What's the progress on this? 🙂 It's even more relevant than ever since we now have the Super League discussion 😛

 

https://sortitoutsi.net/content/58115/issues-with-awards 

 

the super league is more or less done just tweaking it now and running tests

 

UCL plays out with teams like Atalanta Seville Dortmund Ajax doing very well but there are also in a 10 year sim usually 2 much smaller teams in the semi finals so much more fun IMO

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