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Intro - 

 

Although Football Manager 2023 is the best management sim around, I've always found it lacking in the History and Research department .. sometimes it feels like the Researchers have a 'that'll do' mentality - and the lack of in-game immersion in the form of Competition biographies is pretty shocking by 2023

So as a History student, and football lover, and all round autistic nerd - I have worked very hard over the last two editions of FM to rectify this as much as possible in my spare time
 

Immersion Manager 2023 ...

 

Files -


01A Rob's History Update 2023 v7.00 - the Editor File, goes into Documents > Sports Interactive > Football Manager 2023 > Editor Data (remember to tick it when starting a new game and selecting which additional Database files you want to use) .. (and remember to delete any old versions you have)

 

1. Rob's History Update 2023 v.6.00 - Trophies - the trophy pack, goes into Documents > Sports Interactive > Football Manager 2023 > Graphics

 

NOTE - I have not amended any Club, Award, Nation, Competition, or any default-database items within my History Update file - any name changes in the below screenshots are a result of me using my own external Real Name file, so you can use this alongside ANY 'Real Name Fix' file of your choosing

 

 

Optional/Additional Files - 

 

[FM23] ITCH, ETCH & ATCH - International, European & Americas Team Competition Histories - a great set of files by CFuller which complement my work perfectly - 100% recommended

 

(Please see the reserved post underneath this one for planned future updates)

 

Some screenshots and description examples as of v.6.00 - please see latest posts in thread for any changes - I will update this posts' screenshots at a later date

 

Some examples then ..

The main league I have split up is the English Premier League, because it always irked me that it would show Tottenham Hotspur as winning the Premier League

Through the usage of Stage Names, I have found that many old competition names can be added without the need to split leagues - but given the overhaul in 1992, I feel that it is still appropriate for the Premier League to stand alone on it's own merits

Man United as an example -

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I also painstakingly added club by club, line by line, the Domestic History for the leagues I have created - for all English clubs in the league system

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Which calculates in the Records accordingly

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I have also done this for the Austrian league, given it already separates the Bundesliga, formed in 1974, to the Nationalliga itself in the default database - 

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And the usage of Stage Names means I can add former competition names WITHOUT having to split any Competitions, like so - 

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I have also used the Stage Name feature to add information into Competitions, and some History, like so - 

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The Yugoslavian, Czechoslovakian, and Soviet Union league histories have been filled to full effect - here's a full page example of what it looks like in-game

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And as you can see I have also added a lot of friendly competitions

I have added descriptions via Stage Names for as many Extinct competitions as I could thus far - I feel this adds a certain level of immersion which is impossible in the default game

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Here are some more nuggets - there are many more in-game for you to find

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Latrell yard man
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fantastic i love history i have complained about this for years to si for the lack of history for defunct comps.

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This is great, when European competitions actually matter, when “champions” were in the European cup

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By R Charlston 10 November 2022 - 20:40 PM UTC 

This is great, when European competitions actually matter, when “champions” were in the European cup

 

to right i hope he keeps this up as the years go on it really adds a lot to the game for me. 

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By Latrell yard man 10 November 2022 - 21:25 PM UTC 

to right i hope he keeps this up as the years go on it really adds a lot to the game for me. 

 

Luckily FM22 files seem to transfer over to FM23 very easily - hopefully they do for FM24, and so on, haha

But one year I may have to do it all again from scratch ... but don't worry, I will 

BTW guys, if you see anything wrong, or can think of any competitions I've missed, or any friendly competitions from this summer that occurred - let me know 

 

(there'll be a few to add after the World Cup break, I know that Celtic and a few other clubs are involved in a friendly tournament in Sydney in November)

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Great work.

I do not understand why in France for example you separate the championship (league 1) post 2002 with the championship pre 2002 (D1). Just the name changes.

Similarly, why the C1 is separated with the post 1992 distinction.

It breaks the immersion to see Milan AC with only 3 C1.

On the other hand, the work on the eastern championships is admirable.

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By bozo13 14 November 2022 - 21:34 PM UTC 

Great work.

I do not understand why in France for example you separate the championship (league 1) post 2002 with the championship pre 2002 (D1). Just the name changes.

Similarly, why the C1 is separated with the post 1992 distinction.

It breaks the immersion to see Milan AC with only 3 C1.

On the other hand, the work on the eastern championships is admirable.


Just a personal preference to differentiate the old from the new - the change on the French Wikipedia is described as thus -

"This (2001 / 2002) was the last championship of France under the name 'Division 1'. The following year the LNF (National Football League) was renamed LFP (Professional Football League), and Division 1 became Ligue 1."

But I will change this back for the next version, so it's just Ligue 1 from 1933-today 🙂

Also, C1 - is that the Champions League? because it changed format from the European Cup to the Champions League
(for example, if in conversation would you say Nottingham Forest won the Champions League, or would you say they won the European Cup?)

I'm afraid I won't be changing the Champions League, but I can show you how to do it if you want to change it on your downloaded copy?

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If anyone has any legit for changes, just let me know what and why - and I can change things in the next version 🙂

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By robmoore_396 2 15 November 2022 - 15:36 PM UTC 


Just a personal preference to differentiate the old from the new - the change on the French Wikipedia is described as thus -

"This (2001 / 2002) was the last championship of France under the name 'Division 1'. The following year the LNF (National Football League) was renamed LFP (Professional Football League), and Division 1 became Ligue 1."

But I will change this back for the next version, so it's just Ligue 1 from 1933-today 🙂

Also, C1 - is that the Champions League? because it changed format from the European Cup to the Champions League
(for example, if in conversation would you say Nottingham Forest won the Champions League, or would you say they won the European Cup?)

I'm afraid I won't be changing the Champions League, but I can show you how to do it if you want to change it on your downloaded copy?

 

First, I'm not criticizing your work. It's really a plus for a game like FM.

Regarding the champions league, I don't like the new format with the seeded players and the overrepresentation of the English, Spanish, Italians...

But Real Madrid won their "DECIMA" in 2014. The tenth. It takes into account the first of the 50s where some clubs were not champions but invited. Forest has won 2 C1, "Coupe des clubs champions européens", like Chelsea or Porto.

 

I'm actually interested to see how you managed to modify it.

 

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By bozo13 15 November 2022 - 20:51 PM UTC 

First, I'm not criticizing your work. It's really a plus for a game like FM.

Regarding the champions league, I don't like the new format with the seeded players and the overrepresentation of the English, Spanish, Italians...

But Real Madrid won their "DECIMA" in 2014. The tenth. It takes into account the first of the 50s where some clubs were not champions but invited. Forest has won 2 C1, "Coupe des clubs champions européens", like Chelsea or Porto.

 

 

I'm actually interested to see how you managed to modify it.

 

It would all be much easier if you could do this with Competitions, and not just Clubs - 
 


Then history of legacy competitions would naturally flow into new ones - but alas, it doesn't work like that as it's not a feature of the Editor

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v.1.50 - re-uploaded to post #1

 

Sorry for anyone who downloaded this already, but I've had to re-upload - I noticed Metalist Kharkiv was still set as the ‘new club’ for Metalist 1925 Kharkiv

I'm guessing one of them was Extinct in FM22, but no longer in FM23

Basically, if you ever managed Metalist, all the comp history would show as ‘Metalist Kharkiv (now Metalist 1925 Kharkiv)’

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By robmoore_396 2 16 November 2022 - 11:23 AM UTC 

1.50 - re-uploaded

 

Sorry for anyone who downloaded this already, but I've had to re-upload - I noticed Metalist Kharkiv was still set as the ‘new club’ for Metalist 1925 Kharkiv

I'm guessing one of them was Extinct in FM22, but no longer in FM23

Basically, if you ever managed Metalist, all the comp history would show as ‘Metalist Kharkiv (now Metalist 1925 Kharkiv)’

 

cheers Rob, great file, adds much needed depth

 

im now tempted to try Metalist :-)

 

btw-where the f is it?

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By Bielsa is a Legend 16 November 2022 - 11:42 AM UTC 

cheers Rob, great file, adds much needed depth

 

im now tempted to try Metalist :-)

 

btw-where the f is it?

 

Where are Metalist? in the Ukraine Prem 😛

(the file is in post #1, if that's what you mean)

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 I will merge first division with premier league.

Nice work.

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By robmoore_396 2 16 November 2022 - 12:20 PM UTC 

Where are Metalist? in the Ukraine Prem 😛

(the file is in post #1, if that's what you mean)

 

yes i meant location, im already using v1, game changer mate, well done

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do you have to upload your files for 23.2 FM23 version?

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By Filippo Garrone 01 December 2022 - 18:45 PM UTC 

do you have to upload your files for 23.2 FM23 version?

 

I've checked and all things seem in order, no update required - I don't think the latest FM update actually changed anything in the default DB

The usual January/Feb update might, mind ...

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By robmoore_396 2 03 December 2022 - 13:01 PM UTC 

I've checked and all things seem in order, no update required - I don't think the latest FM update actually changed anything in the default DB

The usual January/Feb update might, mind ...

 

Also the Inc file you edited? I'm just asking because they updated the set of real fixes with the fm update, then I don't know if they updated that Inc file as well. Thanks a lot

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By Filippo Garrone 03 December 2022 - 19:07 PM UTC 

Also the Inc file you edited? I'm just asking because they updated the set of real fixes with the fm update, then I don't know if they updated that Inc file as well. Thanks a lot

 

You may need to put the Inc file back into the location yes

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Note regarding Major Update 23.2 for FM23
 

 

Luckily the update didn't amend the default DB in any way, so I don't have to amend anything to adjust for Unique ID changes (phew)

BUT
 

You may need to re-install the INC file amendments into the Steam Common folders for any of the Real Name and Fix type files you have, including my own - 

Competitions and other Fixes INC File - No longer required as such for v.2.00, but recommended - My version of the 'Competitions and other Fixes' file created by Mons over at Susie forums for their FM2023 Licensing and Real Name Fix File - you will need to use mine instead of his for existing defunct competitions, such as the Cup Winners' Cup, to have the same format as the ones I have created (this goes into the install directory drive, SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\Football Manager 2023\data\database\db\2300\lnc) - https://www.mediafire.com/file/95byar0p3mwxgjt/Competitions_and_other_Fixes.lnc/file

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