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Obtuse
Franck
You consider Nelson Mandela to be a terrorist?
K3V0
bluemoon.
Franck
Someone fighting for their basic human rights against a violent, openly racist government is not a terrorist, and the ANC were not a terrorist organisation.
She hailed Pinochet as a champion of democracy as well.
K3V0
The ANC wasn't, but MK was.
Jamieandhisego
Thatcher's ability to win elections was a mixture of Labour having to reorganize and regalvanize itself as the hardcore leftists left for the Social Democrats Party and the Socialist Worker's Party and the Tories reshifted the consensus towards a neoliberal monetarist ground. Winning elections in a two-party state is easy because of Duverger's law, which is that in a multi-party system that operates with a voting system like FPTP, you will always get safe seats and two dominant parties. Rather than attempting to win over the public, she was willing to absolutely destroy Wales, Scotland and the North and redistribute wealth to the South in an attempt to win the marginal seats. It was realpolitik at its worst, and it was shockingly immoral considering it only happened 30 years ago. I have lived in the South all my life, but it is obvious to see that she created nothing short of a class war and divided our country geographically as she did so economically, destroying the infrastructure of the North whilst bloating the financial sector of London, deregulated and tax-haven to the wealthy.
There is plenty of information available on the Winter of Discontent, and indeed, on Keynesianism, to suggest that there are substantial myths about the state of the country's finances and the ways in which they were caused and how they have been resolved. The country started to falter only during a recession when Callaghan started to adopt monetarism, something that Thatcher embraced more vehemently. The election results are a mixture of the fact that monetarism massively favours the wealthiest in society (ie. all private media outlets such as newspapers and television) and the elites of society, more so than any other economic and political ideology.
It's a mixture of the fact that she was warned about the Falklands, and did nothing, and then went gung-ho and then used this outpouring of military victory to pave over the cracks of her first term, and callously used the deaths of the soldiers of both sides for the political purpose of re-election.
Ireland remains under a post-colonialist shadow, divided by religion and political loyalties tied to economic development. Mandela is not a terrorist. The Falklands war perhaps could have been avoided, and I don't begrudge her that, but rather the manner in which it was used as the means of re-election strategy.
I forgot to mention that she was anti-feminist, anti-homosexuality, anti-society and pro-Pinochet.
ianbaker
Fantastic
Jamieandhisego
True, the death of a frail old woman is nothing to celebrate, especially given that her ideological stance is the default position for all common ground politics today. It's hardly like Thatcherism died with her.
Sam
Justicar
Jaygull attempts to look clever while failing to spell "Falklands" correctly.
Telegram Sam
This, sadly. Having read a lot about her I disagree with much of what she did and I'm pretty anti-Conservative, but I've felt slightly uncomfortable about the amount of people actively celebrating her death.
Telegram Sam
This, sadly. Having read a lot about her I disagree with much of what she did and I'm pretty anti-Conservative, but I've felt slightly uncomfortable about the amount of people actively celebrating her death.
King Luis
Obtuse
I really do considering he oversaw the mass killings of innocent people. Yet this is forgotten as it was apparently against apartheid
King Luis
Fantastic
Sam
Jamieandhisego
Oops, amended that, not that it detracts from the content of the argument.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/apr/09/russell-brand-margaret-thatcher
This is an interesting and well-written article by Russell Brand about this whole affair.
Jamieandhisego
That is excellent.
Poe
K3V0
Jonas
http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma.cfm?go=forum.posts&forum=2&thread=2156204&page=1
Hahahaha... epic stuff. Trust me, shit gets wicked.
K3V0
Fantastic
K3V0
Joey Barton should be given a gagging order the amount of moronic crap he spews, vile scum bag.
King Luis