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FWIW. She was right about Sands, Mandela and Falklands. I hate the way she ruined the area I grew up in but over the last few years memos have gone public showing that Hillsborough and the area bias was not wholly due to her so that for me has softened my stance against her.
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Saw this posted on a different forum I frequent:

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By Obtuse | Permalink | On 09 April 2013 - 00:15 AM
FWIW. She was right about Sands, Mandela and Falklands. I hate the way she ruined the area I grew up in but over the last few years memos have gone public showing that Hillsborough and the area bias was not wholly due to her so that for me has softened my stance against her.

You consider Nelson Mandela to be a terrorist?
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He was a part of a terrorist group.
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It's alright, though, she thought Robert Mugabe was cool.
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By KEV0 | Permalink | On 09 April 2013 - 00:32 AM
He was a part of a terrorist group.

Someone fighting for their basic human rights against a violent, openly racist government is not a terrorist, and the ANC were not a terrorist organisation.

By bluemoon. | Permalink | On 09 April 2013 - 00:34 AM
It's alright, though, she thought Robert Mugabe was cool.

She hailed Pinochet as a champion of democracy as well.
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By Franck | Permalink | On 09 April 2013 - 09:43 AM
Someone fighting for their basic human rights against a violent, openly racist government is not a terrorist, and the ANC were not a terrorist organisation.


The ANC wasn't, but MK was.
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By Phoenix Arrow | Permalink | On 08 April 2013 - 20:48 PM
I really don't get it though. Let's establish one thing first, I don't like conservatives. Social conservatives anyway, they have this annoying habit of using politics to disguise their intolerance. I would never even consider voting for them while they have their current attitude because voting for them is basically voting against myself. Not that I have any intention of voting for Labour either but that's a different issue.

The thing is though people voted for Thatcher. Lots of people, it wasn't even really that close. Then she won 2 more elections with the margin widening. Then when she left, people voted for John Major. She did some harsh things, but hard decisions had to be made. The country was fucked when she came into power and she improved the situation. That's why people kept voting for her. I'm not much of a humanities guy, but I am numbers guy and you can't argue with those stats, most people thought she was doing a good job.

I understand that the people who don't think she did a good job are REALLY going to think she didn't do a good job and that's fine. I don't have any issue of that, she did some tough things. But when facebook and whatever else is filled with teenagers who don't even know what she did or why celebrating her death that's just fucking stupid.


Thatcher's ability to win elections was a mixture of Labour having to reorganize and regalvanize itself as the hardcore leftists left for the Social Democrats Party and the Socialist Worker's Party and the Tories reshifted the consensus towards a neoliberal monetarist ground. Winning elections in a two-party state is easy because of Duverger's law, which is that in a multi-party system that operates with a voting system like FPTP, you will always get safe seats and two dominant parties. Rather than attempting to win over the public, she was willing to absolutely destroy Wales, Scotland and the North and redistribute wealth to the South in an attempt to win the marginal seats. It was realpolitik at its worst, and it was shockingly immoral considering it only happened 30 years ago. I have lived in the South all my life, but it is obvious to see that she created nothing short of a class war and divided our country geographically as she did so economically, destroying the infrastructure of the North whilst bloating the financial sector of London, deregulated and tax-haven to the wealthy.

There is plenty of information available on the Winter of Discontent, and indeed, on Keynesianism, to suggest that there are substantial myths about the state of the country's finances and the ways in which they were caused and how they have been resolved. The country started to falter only during a recession when Callaghan started to adopt monetarism, something that Thatcher embraced more vehemently. The election results are a mixture of the fact that monetarism massively favours the wealthiest in society (ie. all private media outlets such as newspapers and television) and the elites of society, more so than any other economic and political ideology.

By Franck | Permalink | On 09 April 2013 - 00:06 AM
Out of all the criticism towards Thatcher, the both subtle and not so subtle criticism of her liberating the Falklands completely baffles me.

How anyone could possibly argue that defending your own citizens and freeing them from a junta-led occupation is a bad thing is completely beyond my comprehension.


It's a mixture of the fact that she was warned about the Falklands, and did nothing, and then went gung-ho and then used this outpouring of military victory to pave over the cracks of her first term, and callously used the deaths of the soldiers of both sides for the political purpose of re-election.

By Obtuse | Permalink | On 09 April 2013 - 00:15 AM
FWIW. She was right about Sands, Mandela and Falklands. I hate the way she ruined the area I grew up in but over the last few years memos have gone public showing that Hillsborough and the area bias was not wholly due to her so that for me has softened my stance against her.


Ireland remains under a post-colonialist shadow, divided by religion and political loyalties tied to economic development. Mandela is not a terrorist. The Falklands war perhaps could have been avoided, and I don't begrudge her that, but rather the manner in which it was used as the means of re-election strategy.

I forgot to mention that she was anti-feminist, anti-homosexuality, anti-society and pro-Pinochet.
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By bluemoon. | Permalink | On 09 April 2013 - 00:34 AM
It's alright, though, she thought Robert Mugabe was cool.

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People celebrating her death rightfully come across as morons. Especially those who are under the age of 30.
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By Fantastic | Permalink | On 09 April 2013 - 10:16 AM
People celebrating her death rightfully come across as morons. Especially those who are under the age of 30.


True, the death of a frail old woman is nothing to celebrate, especially given that her ideological stance is the default position for all common ground politics today. It's hardly like Thatcherism died with her.
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By Jaygull | Permalink | On 09 April 2013 - 01:12 AM
*snip*


Jaygull attempts to look clever while failing to spell "Falklands" correctly.
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By Fantastic | Permalink | On 09 April 2013 - 10:16 AM
People celebrating her death rightfully come across as morons. Especially those who are under the age of 30.

This, sadly. Having read a lot about her I disagree with much of what she did and I'm pretty anti-Conservative, but I've felt slightly uncomfortable about the amount of people actively celebrating her death.
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By Fantastic | Permalink | On 09 April 2013 - 10:16 AM
People celebrating her death rightfully come across as morons. Especially those who are under the age of 30.

This, sadly. Having read a lot about her I disagree with much of what she did and I'm pretty anti-Conservative, but I've felt slightly uncomfortable about the amount of people actively celebrating her death.
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Yeah also seems alot of people around my age are going around slagging her off in an attempt to sound informed, when for the most part they just sound like idiots.
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By Franck | Permalink | On 09 April 2013 - 00:15 AM
You consider Nelson Mandela to be a terrorist?


I really do considering he oversaw the mass killings of innocent people. Yet this is forgotten as it was apparently against apartheid
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This is awesome:

During one of their spring games at Memorial Stadium, Nebraska's football team put 7-year-old Jack Hoffman on the field to score a 69-yard touchdown. Hoffman has been battling brain cancer since 2011 and was befriended by the Huskers running back Rex Burkhead a year ago.


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I cried. I have no shame in admitting that.
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That is wonderful.
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By Justicar | Permalink | On 09 April 2013 - 13:58 PM
Jaygull attempts to look clever while failing to spell "Falklands" correctly.


Oops, amended that, not that it detracts from the content of the argument.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/apr/09/russell-brand-margaret-thatcher

This is an interesting and well-written article by Russell Brand about this whole affair.
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By King Luis | Permalink | On 09 April 2013 - 22:58 PM
This is awesome:



That is excellent.
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I like that Russell Brand article.
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That's a great video KL..
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So I'm in SC.. Get a text from a dude that (I presume) is in FL.. 727 area code.. He's steady pushing for pics, thinking I'm a chick named Kelly..

This could get good, but I have to work early tomorrow so I'll be going to bed soon.. But seeing how aggressive this dude is, I see another mangina coming his way.

http://manvs.net/ug/img/2013-04-03_20-59-15-1.jpg


http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/mma.cfm?go=forum.posts&forum=2&thread=2156204&page=1

Hahahaha... epic stuff. Trust me, shit gets wicked.
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193 pages. Fuck off.
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Go to page 94 I think it was, they had all the screenshots on that page.
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Joey Barton should be given a gagging order the amount of moronic crap he spews, vile scum bag.
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Yeah i actually tweeted him for a change yesterday when he said his career at QPR was over when they appointed Hughes, i just reminded him it was over when he assaulted one person and attempted to assault another.

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