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Sam
"Why did he buy Veron? Fucking hell.
Ninja
You're such a bore.
The debate itself has been done to death, but its a perfectly legitimate debate to have and although some United fans would have you believe that Scholes wins it by a margin (as I'm sure, Chelsea and Liverpool fans would in regards to their respective players) its hardly clear cut.
My problem with Carragher's punditry is he relies on tired and lazy cliches to propogate pre-conceived notions. Neville's proven himself to be far more willing to be guided by the facts, which is why you'll see as many United fans hating him because they think he should be beating the ex-United player drum as you will people who hate him because he's Neville.
Shola
Neville was the one who started talking about his former club and supplied a lot of anecdotes and didn't offer a fact. At least Carragher didn't start talking about Liverpool's philosophy being of possession football and counter attacking. Neville also makes the point of playing with all three, ignoring that Carragher has as well.
Jamieandhisego
Ninja
Well there's your problem. Neville's points were perfectly valid, Paul Scholes won football matches because he was excellent at keeping possession and controlling matches and that theres more to football that simply scoring goals (despite the fact that Gerrard and Scholes numbers for United and Liverpool are very similar even with Scholes playing deeper for probably his last 10 years here), if you disagree with that point you might as well give up watching football. The argument that it was poor punditry to say that in training with Scholes on your team you won is a bit of a nonsense, it illustrates the point well.
Carra's response was the nonsensical arguments that Sven shifted Scholes to the left so that shows he's rubbish, which Neville countered easily and the even worse argument about Veron which was laughed at.
You've completely made up the 'point of playing with all three' Neville just said that he's played with a lot of good players and Scholes was the best, if you think about it he's also including the likes of Rooney, Ronaldo, Cantona, Giggs, Keane, Beckham and every other player he's played with at England or Manchester United. He didn't 'forget' that Carragher had too, because he wasn't using it as a stick to beat Carragher with. You, however, have conveniently ignored that Carragher agrees with him and says 'Scholes was the best player I've played with by a mile', apparently that doesn't undermine his point but there you go.
You're also ignoring subtlety of what Neville actually said. He didn't like to compare the three players because although they were all world class they were all good at different aspects of football in different ways. So your blanket statement to start with that thinking that Carragher's baseless ramblings were worse punditry than Neville's far more measured response was somehow the result of bias on my part because Neville said that Scholes was the better player and I agreed with that is wrong, because Neville never made that claim.
Crane
Croy
Obtuse
Absolutely spot on. Couldn't agree any more with this. If the lazy staff would add a reputation system (positive only) then I would be giving you a rep about now
VP.
Why don't you kiss his arse instead?
Anyway, can't be bothered to read though all this but for me Gerrard is the better of the 3. He's one of the best players i've seen in my lifetime easily.
Crane
Obtuse
It wasn't about kissing his arse but rather a longstanding thing of me trying to get a reputation system put in place. If you had been around you would have seen this. You should know I don't kiss arse by now.
Gerrard is not technical sound and he admits this. He is better than Lampard and is immense but he is not Paul Scholes as even Xavi rates him.
The Platypus
Sam
Carroll.
Shola
Carroll.
Eric Portapotty
Jamieandhisego
Come back in 15 years and then we'll see.
Eric Portapotty
Because I was clearly serious about that post.
Ninja
Punditry informs the discussion, its hardly the worst thing in the world to talk about who is good at it and not.
We all digest a great quantity of literature on the topic of football by our very presence on the site being critical of some of the opinions is part of the parcel. Besides, my reply only got lengthy because I was bored at work.
He's clearly talking in the context of those 3, which is spot on.
Poe
K3V0
Ninja
How could anyone possibly think thats an appropriate name for what they're trying to achieve?
Obtuse
Ninja
Telegram Sam
Shola
Telegram Sam
Bloody hell, you're right.
Number 1
Even if Liverpool win, victory for us over Hull takes us second or third for the night.
Slashman X