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By Ninja | Permalink | On 28 October 2012 - 21:58 PM
I don't expect you to agree, but the 'clear contact' was slight and he went down about 2 steps after it happened.

Torres goes down on his own volition, he's felt a touch and thrown himself to the ground trying to get and opposition player booked or sent off.

For my money, and you can say what you want about Evans' tackle and the like, Torres has clearly dived.

It was a foul, but Torres tried to highlight by diving and got his comeuppance.

If the referee believed it was a foul he wouldn't have given Torres a yellow card. You mark the first offence, which would have been a free kick for Chelsea. Whether you like it or not, there was contact, which was a foul. The referee made the wrong decision. It's black and white.
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By Fantastic | Permalink | On 28 October 2012 - 22:06 PM
If the referee believed it was a foul he wouldn't have given Torres a yellow card. You mark the first offence, which would have been a free kick for Chelsea. Whether you like it or not, there was contact, which was a foul. The referee made the wrong decision. It's black and white.


I'd love to see a referee both give a foul and book a player for milking it. Not going to happen, but it'd be refreshing.
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By Fantastic | Permalink | On 28 October 2012 - 22:06 PM
If the referee believed it was a foul he wouldn't have given Torres a yellow card. You mark the first offence, which would have been a free kick for Chelsea. Whether you like it or not, there was contact, which was a foul. The referee made the wrong decision. It's black and white.

At least he was consistent. He booked Valencia for the same thing when Mikel fouled him.
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@Ninja- this is what I mean by other players doing similar.

http://i50.tinypic.com/hv1hee.jpg

Minimal contact and Young throws himself to the ground. The difference is that this decision went in the way of the attacker and Bane got a straight red.

It happens most weeks.
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By Ninja | Permalink | On 28 October 2012 - 21:58 PM
It was a foul


Exactly. End of story. Therefore never ever a red card.
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By BR. | Permalink | On 28 October 2012 - 22:20 PM
Exactly. End of story. Therefore never ever a red card.

But everyone's taking this decision and the goal in isolation and making out Clattenburg is corrupt. He got loads of decisions wrong, he had a bad game in a difficult atmosphere. Even without Torres' redcard Chelsea could still have had 3 players sent off and we could've had two penalties.
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By BR. | Permalink | On 28 October 2012 - 22:20 PM
Exactly. End of story. Therefore never ever a red card.

So why was there such a fuss about Young diving last season when he was fouled in every instance where he went down?

Torres dived, I don't think any one can have any query with that assertion, in diving he made the referee make a decision. He might have got that wrong, but that's nothing to have sympathy with Torres for, because his diving forced that decision.

I don't think 'there was contact' is a sufficient excuse when, in this case, that contact wasn't enough to send him down.
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So twice now Evans has made a nasty tackle and the other player has been sent off, go figure.
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Ref got that spot on, definitive dive. He tried to cheat the ref, exaggerate contact to get Evans sent off. Ironically if Cleverley had done that Torres would have been sent off much earlier with an extra two game ban.

I think the offside is near-impossible for the linesman to actually see it properly, so much movement..

Also what happened to Robinson/Flanagan/Danny Wilson?
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There was about as much contact on Torres as there was on Young, and I don't blame either of them for going down.
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I still don't see how people think Suarez stamped on Distin deliberately today
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By King Luis | Permalink | On 28 October 2012 - 23:03 PM
I still don't see how people think Suarez stamped on Distin deliberately today

http://i.minus.com/iHvvo5bLLinZE.gif
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Osman stood on the back of Gerrard's leg in the same way Suarez did to Distin. Neither of them were intentional.
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By jumberto | Permalink | On 28 October 2012 - 23:05 PM
http://i.minus.com/iHvvo5bLLinZE.gif

Just looks like he's going to put his foot down, doesn't look like an unnatural movement
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By King Luis | Permalink | On 28 October 2012 - 23:08 PM
Just looks like he's going to put his foot down, doesn't look like an unnatural movement

The step he takes on to Distin's back leg is about twice as long as the three before it though.

Idk, I would give him the benefit of the doubt, but he does stuff like this fairly frequently.
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By Phoenix Arrow | Permalink | On 28 October 2012 - 19:11 PM
1) He probably isn't, but if he is it's because a lot of money has been spent, they have won one game this season and he hasn't had any experience at this level.
2) He wouldn't.

Fair enough. That's probably why there's pressure now that I think of it, although given the absolute farce Redknapp relegated and then abandoned in 2005, I'd be amazed if he did wind up in the St. Mary's managerial chair.
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By Ninja | Permalink | On 28 October 2012 - 23:09 PM
The step he takes on to Distin's back leg is about twice as long as the three before it though.

Idk, I would give him the benefit of the doubt, but he does stuff like this fairly frequently.

If he was just running straight then fair enough but he's running across so his stride is just normal, it looks worse from the first angle but the second angle just looks normal. Can understand why people might think it was deliberate but at the same time he's not always a petulant little shit
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I think it's easy to interpret Suarez's step on Distin as a red offence. Its touch-and-go really, although his disallowed goal and the manner it was at the end was laughable.

Clattenburg was shite as well, and has certainly given a pretty good game a really poisonous after-taste.
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By Deano | Permalink | On 28 October 2012 - 23:23 PM
http://i.minus.com/duYXF44jEzDmx/MirallasSuarez.gif

Straws are certainly being clutched at here
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That second one is just Suarez being done by Mirallas. Players accidently step on each others boots all the time.

The first one is pretty bad but I don't think its intentional. His body language mid-stamp looks like its genuinely a mistake. Was he booked for it? If he was then that seems fair to me.
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By Abbott | Permalink | On 28 October 2012 - 23:28 PM
That second one is just Suarez being done by Mirallas. Players accidently step on each others boots all the time.

The first one is pretty bad but I don't think its intentional. His body language mid-stamp looks like its genuinely a mistake. Was he booked for it? If he was then that seems fair to me.

He was yeah but people are suggesting he should have got a red.
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Perhaps it is harsh to assume that it was intentional, but it's not the first time Suarez has done a thing like it, so I guess people see a pattern.
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Its because he's the master of the scruffy dribble and therefore has no real control over his legs.
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I don't think anyone can say with complete confidence if Suarez meant to stamp on Distin or not - it looks as if it might have been intentional but it's not clean cut enough to say that was definitely the case. Only he knows.
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The Premier League has more than tripled what it gets for it's US broadcast rights, going from $23M per year to over $80M.

I wonder when the TV rights bubble will burst, if it ever does.
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By Franck | Permalink | On 29 October 2012 - 01:35 AM
The Premier League has more than tripled what it gets for it's US broadcast rights, going from $23M per year to over $80M.

I wonder when the TV rights bubble will burst, if it ever does.

When less people want to watch football, I guess.
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Last night was ridiculous. I can see why Ivanovic was shown a red, but that Torres decision was odd.

Has he simulated and gone down a bit dramatically? Definitely. Was he fouled? Definitely.
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I was the one that said Suarez should have been sent off. I meant for two yellows, on both occasions because both were hard, dangerous tackles... Oh well. Still more pissed at Cuntenburg.
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Football really brings out the worst in people sometimes. I can understand Chelsea fans are a bit miffed but Im sure in a few weeks or something we will get robbed with decisions, or Chelsea will rob another team with theres. It happens, it shouldn't but it does, im sure every football fan can think of plenty of times its happened to their team. Trying to win pointless arguments with each other doesn't achieve anything.

For me personally:
Yes Chelsea were very unlucky. imo Ivanovic was a red IMO, even though there wasnt loads of contact. Torres one was very harsh but equally could have been sent off for his earlier tackle anyway, and yes obviously Hernandez' goal was offside, but theres always a few offside goals every week, im sure ill be complaining about one against us soon enough. Clattenburg was pretty awful all game.

As far as Liverpool/Suarez, they were unlucky to get the last goal disallowed, but again plenty of those decisions every week, those stamps really dont look intentional at all, just doesnt seem to be paying much attention to where he is running thats all. (and believe me i fucking hate Liverpool and Suarez)

Also d'you reckon FA will do anything about his celebration? Im not saying I would but it was deliberately antagonistic of him and you know what the FA are like, much like Neville with the Liverpool fans a few years ago

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