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.verse
That was my impression of the Torres incident. It does look like he's tried to pull out of extending his leg fully and really going through Cleverley like he could have. It certainly was no worse than Evans effort on Drogba, which got nothing.
It's all done now though. The issue is that it will all pop up again with other decisions because there is simply far too much inconsistency between officials, particularly on this diving/going to ground easy thing.
Dutton
He was so lucky that Cleverley just got up instead of making a meal of it.
Dermot Gallagher was on SSN yesterday and he said he had spoken to Cuntenburg (LOL) about the Torres second yellow who said that he felt that there was slight contact but he exaggerated it to gain an advantage and that's why he booked him.
.verse
The balls there to be won by Torres (just as in other instances when the ball is high off the ground), he has every right to try and win it. For me personally, as long as his eyes are on the ball and it's making play for that, then I don't see it as a red. The same applies for any other similar tackle. Now if the player has eyes for nothing but the man and simply follows through with the challenge with trying to pull out, then for me is a red.
If that's the case, Young should have been booked? Slight contact between him and Ivanovic and was exaggerated to gain an advantage.
As I said, there's no consistency whatsoever.
K3V0
EDIT: Also pay close attention to how close Torres comes to kicking Cleverley straight in the face.
Ninja
No because that's retarded logic.
He kicked a player at chest height, it doesn't matter 'if the ball is there to be won', the balls 'there to be won' in 90% of tackles where players are sent off for lunging in or two footed tackles. It's so inconsequential to the debate that it's not worth mentioning.
I also think it's hideous bias to compare the Young one to Torres, if you've ever been running full speed and have someone clip both your feet from behind you'll know it is enough to take you down, that's what Ivanovic does. Whether it's unintentional or not, and whether Young exaggerates that by splaying his legs behind him, it's a clear DOGSO offence.
I think everyone also knows that if a player makes contact with your right leg, you don't go down as if your left leg has been touched. I've watched the Evans/Torres incident about 50 times now, and the more I watch it the more convinced I am that any contact, and there's a bit, is so minimal that the only thing that takes Torres down is Torres.
That's why there is a difference in the two cases, Young may be guilty of embellishing contact, but the contact there is enough to take a person down wheras, in Torres incident he doesn't embellish the contact, it doesn't really affect him, he can continue on towards goal unimpeded but he choses to go down. Young doesn't choose to go down, he's going down anyway, he just does so more theatrically.
I think you need to be very careful in picking your battles here, the Torres one was clearly debatable, and I imagine it would split refereeing circles straight down the middle let alone fans forums, but if you're going to argue that Ivanovic wasn't guilty of a DOGSO offence or Torres wasn't lucky to be sent off earlier on in the game then you just sound rather bitter.
Eric Portapotty
Boone
bluemoon.
Jamieandhisego
Dutton
LOL GOOD ONE
Deano
trolololol.
They are the team that played like Stoke
His comments about Phil Neville are daft as well, he dives week in week out.
Slashman X
\o/
Also:
Telegram Sam
Deano
Still the closest he'll ever get to touching the league trophy.
Crane
Rio X.
Pippadoc
Poe
They're miles ahead of Liverpool at the minute.
Carroll.
Jamieandhisego
Deano
'as a mutd fan i could not agree with gerrard more, i watched the game and neverton just wanted to hit fellani every single time. liverpool played some great football and i can see them getting top4 on that evidence. + i dont know how we beat chelsea lucky we always have the refs on our side i guess'
Ninja
There's no way they heard anything, so they're reporting the fact that Chelsea are reporting that Clattenburg racially abused their player. The Police investigation will take fucking ages, and nothing will come of it any way if Clattenburg denies it, which he is.
Slashman X
Was it not yer man who is talking about creating the Black PFA?
chokosc
Society of Black Lawyers are the ones that said the police need to investigate.... They have a point. Why would the FA, who Cluttenburg is working for, take control over the investigation?
Ninja
Yeah but everyone knows Ferdinand is thick, so the fact he's had a stupid idea isn't surprising.
He works for the PGMOB/L not the FA.
It's also not an issue. If you're racist at work you're investigated by your work. They're not going to treat him favourably because he's an employee, because that looks worse on them than sacking him.
If Football clubs, and football in general, had a shred of credibility they'd also conduct their own internal reviews, and discipline players accordingly.
Poe
I'd say if Moyes was allowed to spend the money you lot have over the past 2-3 seasons they'd be far and away the best team in Liverpool.
They already are and they've spent a fraction of it
chokosc
Still think it is something the police should also look at.
And, am I the only one that finds it really weird how referees aren't recorded? It shouldn't be too hard and it would make this thing finish a lot faster.
Dutton
I don't mean anything racist, just there's obviously alot they say to each other on the pitch that should be left that way. Can you imagine? FOY CALLS ROONEY AN IDIOT, GERRARD IN DISCRIMINATION AGAINST THE BLIND, ACCUSES WEBB OF BEING VISUALLY IMPAIRED.
Slashman X
Abbott