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Apparently PSG posted on their official Twitter that they'd agreed a deal to sign Ashley Cole, then they deleted it.
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Rumours we're closing in on Lewandowski.

It makes no sense and we don't need him but he's a good player.
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Daily Mail rumours, mind you.
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It makes sense that Dortmund would let him go, his contract is up after next season and he wants a significant raise so they'll likely be looking to cash in on him while they can.

Doesn't really seem likely that he'd be a United target though, unless one of Welbeck or Hernandez are on the way out.
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Supposedly it's only for about £12m. Why are Dortmund so bad at getting a good fee?
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Like I said, his contract is running out and he/they don't want a new one. It pretty much mirrors the Kagawa situation.
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Yeah, that results in a lower fee but £12m? That's not a reduced fee, that's fucking thievery.
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By duckeggmoon | Permalink | On 03 December 2012 - 18:33 PM
Yeah, that results in a lower fee but £12m? That's not a reduced fee, that's fucking thievery.


They got RVP for 24 million for the same reason, unless another team comes in for him then they can pretty much pay as little as they want within reason
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Can't really compare English fees with German ones though. The financial situations in the two leagues couldn't possibly be further apart.

The Premier League and the Bundesliga are pretty much the complete antitheses of each other as far as the financial side of things go.
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By Franck | Permalink | On 03 December 2012 - 18:34 PM
Can't really compare English fees with German ones though. The financial situations in the two leagues couldn't possibly be further apart.

The Premier League and the Bundesliga are pretty much the complete antitheses of each other as far as the financial side of things go.

Yeah but the situation is pretty much the same regardless of transfer fee's, If RVP's contract wasn't up this year then United would never have got him for 24 million.
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Was replying to Bluemoon, not you.
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By Franck | Permalink | On 03 December 2012 - 18:40 PM
Was replying to Bluemoon, not you.

My bad
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By Franck | Permalink | On 03 December 2012 - 18:34 PM
Can't really compare English fees with German ones though. The financial situations in the two leagues couldn't possibly be further apart.

The Premier League and the Bundesliga are pretty much the complete antitheses of each other as far as the financial side of things go.

And that would make sense if it was a German club trying to sign him. I find it odd that a club like Dortmund (not the richest by any means) wouldn't try to extract as high a fee as possible especially when they are dealing with an English club - and transfers to English club's are inflated more than in most leagues - and one of the richest clubs in Europe at that.

£12m is not a big fee for a player of Lewandowski's talents even if he is entering the last 18 months of his contract.
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MUFC 2013/14
           DDG
Rafael Evans Smalling Evra 
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Rooney     RVP     Welbeck 
    Lewa     Hernandez
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By jumberto | Permalink | On 03 December 2012 - 22:19 PM
MUFC 2013/14
           DDG
Rafael Evans Smalling Evra 
         Carrick
Rooney     RVP     Welbeck 
    Lewa     Hernandez

That defence is terrible.

Which actually does open up the logical question, why are Man Utd even being linked with strikers, when they do realistically need three defenders for next year?
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By duckeggmoon | Permalink | On 03 December 2012 - 21:18 PM
And that would make sense if it was a German club trying to sign him. I find it odd that a club like Dortmund (not the richest by any means) wouldn't try to extract as high a fee as possible especially when they are dealing with an English club - and transfers to English club's are inflated more than in most leagues - and one of the richest clubs in Europe at that.

£12m is not a big fee for a player of Lewandowski's talents even if he is entering the last 18 months of his contract.


But they cant afford to risk scaring of any club willing to pay for him now because then they will just wait till hes out of contract and Dortmund will get fuck all.
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Aye, Smalling and Evans are not good enough for starting centrebacks for a team of Man Utds quality.

They need to invest in Hummels from Dortmund - not Lewandowski.
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By Poe | Permalink | On 04 December 2012 - 13:39 PM
Aye, Smalling and Evans are not good enough for starting centrebacks for a team of Man Utds quality.

They need to invest in Hummels from Dortmund - not Lewandowski.

Nah, that's just lazy criticism.

Smalling is fucking awesome and Evans is quality when he's actually using his brain, and his fuck ups are becoming fewer and farther between.

Thats not to mention that Jones is going to be a very, very good centre back so Evans will probably be a back up option going forward anyway.
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Spain striker Fernando Llorente put Europe's top clubs on alert when he confirmed he will leave Athletic Bilbao when his contract finishes at the end of the season.

"I am going to leave on 30 June. I want to develop as a player and try something new," Llorente, 27, said. "It isn't about money because the offer the club made was irresistible."
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By Ninja | Permalink | On 04 December 2012 - 14:10 PM
Nah, that's just lazy criticism.

Smalling is fucking awesome and Evans is quality when he's actually using his brain, and his fuck ups are becoming fewer and farther between.

Thats not to mention that Jones is going to be a very, very good centre back so Evans will probably be a back up option going forward anyway.

It's not lazy criticism. Your right back is poor, your left back is old and Smalling isn't, in my opinion, strong enough to make it at your level. So in terms of priorities a forward is the least of your concern.
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By Fantastic | Permalink | On 04 December 2012 - 16:48 PM
It's not lazy criticism. Your right back is poor, your left back is old and Smalling isn't, in my opinion, strong enough to make it at your level. So in terms of priorities a forward is the least of your concern.

It's very lazy.

Rafael is not 'poor', he's had one bad game all season and that was against Reading. As for Smalling do you mean 'strong' as a player or 'strong' as in physically. Either way it's a nonsense, I think he'll be the best ball playing centre half in the league in a couple of years.

So you're either criticising Rafael because he had a poor game in his last game or because he was rash when he was younger, and Smalling because, I don't know, he got shoved off the ball by Benekete in one of first games back?

Our defensive issues this year have stemmed from the fact Ferdinand's form has been poor, and the fact that we don't have a midfield player that does an effective job of sitting in front of the defence.
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Regardless of whether or not your defence is good or not you need to strengthen there and in centre midfield far, far more than you need a new striker. That'd be papering over the cracks of your team yet again.

Anyway Liverpool are being linked with Walcott, Sturridge and Ba this week. Walcott under £10m would be brilliant business imo, as too would Ba. Sturridge I think is a good player and has everything to be an effective player for us, especially in Rodgers current system, but his attitude needs a major sort out and if he wants big wages then there must be cheaper options to look at. Hopefully the scouting team will have looked a little bit further than the rest of the Premiership for players too.
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All three of those strikers are specifically irked at being played out wide for their clubs, and want to play through the middle. Presumably Borini/Suarez will be shoved wide upon their arrival?
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By Jaygull | Permalink | On 04 December 2012 - 18:34 PM
All three of those strikers are specifically irked at being played out wide for their clubs, and want to play through the middle. Presumably Borini/Suarez will be shoved wide upon their arrival?


Suarez will just roam like he normally does, doesn't seem to have a set position really
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By Ninja | Permalink | On 04 December 2012 - 17:15 PM
It's very lazy.

Rafael is not 'poor', he's had one bad game all season and that was against Reading. As for Smalling do you mean 'strong' as a player or 'strong' as in physically. Either way it's a nonsense, I think he'll be the best ball playing centre half in the league in a couple of years.

So you're either criticising Rafael because he had a poor game in his last game or because he was rash when he was younger, and Smalling because, I don't know, he got shoved off the ball by Benekete in one of first games back?

Our defensive issues this year have stemmed from the fact Ferdinand's form has been poor, and the fact that we don't have a midfield player that does an effective job of sitting in front of the defence.

I'm criticising Rafael because he is not a good enough defender, I'm criticising Evra because he's getting old and I'm criticising Smalling because I don't believe he will deliver on his potential.

But actually, I'm not really criticising them, what I've been trying to say is that it seems odd why there is even talk of bringing a forward in, when there are areas that need improving.

Unless you believe you need another forward?
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By Jaygull | Permalink | On 04 December 2012 - 18:34 PM
All three of those strikers are specifically irked at being played out wide for their clubs, and want to play through the middle. Presumably Borini/Suarez will be shoved wide upon their arrival?


Borini is already being played out wide, but I have reservations about playing Suarez out there. Although saying that he played in that position for Ajax and for Uruguay currently so he's able to do it.
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By Abbott | Permalink | On 04 December 2012 - 18:06 PM
Regardless of whether or not your defence is good or not you need to strengthen there and in centre midfield far, far more than you need a new striker. That'd be papering over the cracks of your team yet again.


Seeing as this whole thing started with me posting the Lewandoski rumours and saying we don't need him I don't know why you've got that idea.

Just because I think our defence, apart from at left back is fine for the future (and tbh, that depends on Fabio's development and susceptibility to injuries, he was excellent at right back for us in our run to the CL final, so he has it in him to get there) doesn't mean I think we need a new striker ffs.

By Fantastic | Permalink | On 04 December 2012 - 18:38 PM
I'm criticising Rafael because he is not a good enough defender, I'm criticising Evra because he's getting old and I'm criticising Smalling because I don't believe he will deliver on his potential.

But actually, I'm not really criticising them, what I've been trying to say is that it seems odd why there is even talk of bringing a forward in, when there are areas that need improving.

Unless you believe you need another forward?

Rafael is a pretty solid defender, he could be a bit stronger but thats it. The only time we have problems down his flanks really when he's playing well is when he's gone forward, which is fine, because he's for my money the best right back going forward in the league. The more he plays the more he'll learn to sense when he should go forward and when he should defend, but he's only 22, that will come.

As for Smalling, that's your opinion, I disagree. I think he's already an excellent defender, certainly no worse than players that play regularly for either City or Chelsea (Lescott, Luiz, Cahill) and will only get better.

Everyone knows the problem is with our centre midfield, jumberto's team was obviously posted in jest, and I'd love us to be in for Strootman, Fellaini or anyone, really but if Ferguson does see Rooney as a midfielder now, not unreasonably, he'd want another striker seeing as he always wants 4 top quality players.

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