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jumberto
And given the fact that everyone in Manchester is a blue, it's not surprising that we struggle to fill our 75k stadium while they have a full house every week.
Shola
I doubt City would need any creative accounting to fit into FFP. I don't really see how by having a bigger stadium they can just pretend they have more revenue anyway.
I think building the costs of increasing the stadium would probably be exempt from FFP anyway so it would give City a chance to boost revenues and the stadium increases are arguably inevitable, if the owners are dedicated and keep putting the money in.
EDIT - Means when they do have the increased revenue potential, which can then lead to increased expenditure. iirc FFP is goint to benefit Manchester United most due to their amazing revenue streams, the Manchester City directors probably need to attempt to build their own streams to compete - An increased stadium is probably required.
Flash.
Do you think City care how many people turn up?
If 47k people buy tickets, they get money whether they turn up or not.
So if 60k people want to buy tickets you may as well expand the stadium to allow it, even if they're not all to go.
Quite clearly the demand is there.
Telegram Sam
Seriously? The powers that be at Manchester City are skewering the attendance figures in order to justify a stadium expansion that gives them a better chance of complying with FFP?
Listen to yourself.
Ninja
I didn't say that though, I said that match day revenue increases would make City a lot stronger under FFP than not.
It's hardly beyond the realms of possibility that a pretty lucrative way of funneling money into the club would be to give out cut price or free tickets mark them up as fully paid (probably by using a third party to buy them and give them away) thus vastly increasing revenue coming in on match days.
I don't see how it's ridiculous to suggest that people that want to funnel money into clubs - like has been the case with City, PSG et al - will not be stopped by FFP. Nor do I think it's particularly ludicrous to suggest that companies, football clubs, will use tricks to gain advantages whether it be Starbucks, google or Amazon using creative accountancy to avoid tax or Chelsea converting Abramovich's debt into equity to spin a profit.
I also never said it's to comply with FFP I said to give them greater wiggle room, City will comply with FFP easily, my accusation that they'd be doing it to give themselves greater financial clout - by hook or by crook - is hardly particularly scathing, nor is it something unexpected. If clubs that can afford to load the system in their favour aren't doing so then there's something very wrong with their upper manangement.
Shola
EDIT - I don't think Chelsea did anything to 'spin a profit', when Abramovich turned debt into equity he made them 'debt free' (they're not - He still has loans to Fordsham Ltd who own Chelsea and can demand it back) Even so if Abramovich did make Chelsea debt free he wouldn't be spinning anything, just writing off huge chunks of his personal wealth.
Ninja
Like how I suggested in that post?
And there's a difference between passing and it still being a burden on heavy spending going forward and passing it and having enough extra cash lying around to still spend heavily. I don't understand why everyone in here seems to be struggling with that concept.
Telegram Sam
Flash.
Ninja
Aside from the fact that City's bumper Etihad sponsorship deal with their owners half brothers air line company clearly suggests that City are using methods not dissimilar to this to bypass the fact money can't be put in to the club directly.
Alongside the fact they are the only club in a recession who would seek to increase their stadium capacity when demand is questionable. They're clearly not doing it intending to lose money, so you have to wonder how they're intending to make the endeavor profitable, because, I can't see how City are currently filling a 60k stadium apart from against other big clubs when they more often than not struggle to do that in a 47k one.
Flash.
That not a made up figure, that's a fact. Just because some of them don't go to the games doesn't mean the demand isn't there.
Telegram Sam
I just don't think you have any conclusive quantitative data to support your points. Is demand questionable, aside from supposed empty seats at the stadium? I'm not a fan of City's spending habits, and I hope FFP actually forces them to act more responsibly financially, but this conspiracy theory you seem to have created doesn't really seem to have any real credibility. City are fast becoming one of the biggest clubs in world football and I think it's perfectly likely they could fill out a 60,000-seater stadium.
K3V0
Ninja
I don't think it's any secret that City have struggled on occasion last season and this to sell out the Etihad at times, if Gruber/whatever he's called now was being honest it's far more frequent than a 47k average attendance (which Flash has said about 67 million times for absolutely no reason) would suggest. I was of course being facetious when I said that they only sell out when we come to town, but it's hardly a secret that cup games, midweek European games and games against relegation fodder are typically very tough sells and are only becoming more so when peoples dwindling disposable income are forcing people to prioritise which games they can afford to attend. I would be very surprised if City aren't already offering heavily discounted rates for games like that, because most clubs around the country are being forced to.
I've mentioned it already, but United vs Cluj serves to illustrate the point. The official attendance that night was 71,000. The reality was much closer to 50 or 60 thousand. We've already made plans to expand Old Trafford to 90,000 seats (it might have been 100, I can't be bothered to check), and I don't really doubt that at some point in the future it will probably happen but if it were to happen now it would be ridiculously unnecessary. Similarly City will need a 60,000 seater stadium at some point in the future, probably in the next 5 years, but building it now does not make much sense.
I quickly went on the City website to see if there were pricing plans up to support those claims, and was begged to buy tickets for City v Reading in two days time. Tickets being on general sale for a team in a 47,000 seater stadium two days before kick off doesn't go very far to indicate their likely to be able to fill up a 60,000 one does it?
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"Mario was good fun. I could write a book of 200 pages of my two years in Inter with Mario, but the book would be not a drama, the book would be a comedy! I remember one, we went to Kazan in the Champions League, In that match, I had all my strikers injured. No Milito, no Eto'o, I was really in trouble and Mario was the only one. Mario gets a yellow card in minute 42 or 43. So, when I go to the dressing room at half time, I spent, I would say, 14 minutes of the 15 speaking only for Mario. "Mario, I cannot change you. I cannot make a change. I don't have a striker on the bench. Don't touch anybody. Play only with the ball, when we lose the ball, no reaction. If somebody provocates you, no reaction. If the referee makes a mistake, no reaction. Mario, please!"... Minute 46, red card!"
K3V0
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K3V0
Balotelli has to go.. Simple as that really!!
Sam
Mancini however has to take some of the blame, it would appear that he pulled Balotelli's bib. But you'd expect Balotelli to go.
Shorno
And I wouldn't be too surprised if Mancini's gone by the summer too. Replacing him now might dent their hopes of the Premiership title, but I do think he's risked a lot.
Although for a late tackle on Sinclair, he probably shoulda just let it go. Not really gonna miss Sinclair if he gets injured are they..
The Platypus
Yes, because footballers aren't real people.
Shorno