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Would it be possible to update Cristiano Ronaldo's career goals so that we have a chance to reach the 1000 official career goals, like he is doing?

In my last savegame I had him score  66 goals (66 matches) in the first season; 59 goals (55 matches) in the 2nd season; and 41 goals (38 matches) in the 3rd season, before ending his career, which would have him reach this amount easily, but his playing history only gave him around 600 goals.

With the live update, there are league files, like Germany (league), England (league) etc.

The England one doesn't want to loaded at the same time as lionelmessi's England level 10 db.

The Germany file can be loaded together with masterigor's GER file.

Why is that? Is it safe to load a LIVE update league file together with a league mod in the same nation?

As I am testing different setups with editor files, I found peculiar behaviour of the AFC Champions League Elite, Champions League Two and Challenge League.

If you start a game and continue playing it you see the old names.

If you terminate the game, or load another save in between and then reload the save that had the wrong names, the new names for all 3 Asian cups are displayed.

This is in combination with the AFC Redux file that comes with the J League fix / winter update

Is this behaviour to be expected?

Nevermind. After reloading the save it worked.

Could the AFC Champions League be renamed to AFC Champions League Elite?

@Footygamer So I don't use the file that comes with the Japan fixes, but instead use masterigors AFC.fmf? Is there a special reason for chosing masterigors file above the one that comes with this update?

Edit: both the Susie and MasterIgor AFC files show the same behaviour: after game setup the AFC competition names are wrong. After reloading the savegame everything works fine.

Edit: qualification spots won't show when using the Susie file. Qualification spots do show when using the MasterIgor file. MasterIgor's also have qualification rounds, so his files seem te be better.

What are the AFC Champions League fix and the other 2 files exactly doing?

I would like to start a new savegame, if possible with the new AFC continental competitions like the Champions League Elite. 

Thanks @mons! I changed the files in all 5 folders (23xx and 24xx)

Do we still need this file if you use the Susie Live Update?

I suspect that the Changes file does all the transfers, but what does the Europe file do?

And will the Move World Cup file clash with other files that change the World Cup?

Edit; 
There may be a bug or error in SI's Italian database. If you use (some) editor files that adjust the Italian leagues, the Viareggio tournament will no longer start. I tested this with 3 different Susie data updates and with Daveincid realism update. (Obviously not at the same time). It was also reported to FM22 on the official SI forum. If you want to use the above updates and If you also want to play Viareggio, you only have to turn off the Italian files.

Could you tell a bit more about it? How did you setup the 2 main tournaments? Is that like the UEFA Champions League and UEFA Europa League?

Someone on the SI forums is making a real life Concacaf setup right now (Beta atm)

I am in 2041 right now using your file. sometimes my Costa Rican team doesn't qualify at all, sometimes I qualify for one of the smaller tournaments, but most times I am directly qualified for the Champions Cup. Haven't been able to win it though

Thanks for your reply. No worries, as long as my teams are in the NACL it is ok for now, but if I setup a new savegame I would like to have a game that is well balanced between playability and realism. In your personal format, you removed Central American CUP and CFU Cup?

I am using it for a Champions League hexagon save. I think it is might not work correctly because Mexican clubs are not appearing each year in the Concacaf CL. Could be that this is due to the combination with some of the other files I downloaded.

Amount of Mexian teams in the Concacaf CL:

2023: 3

2024; 3

2025: 0

2026: 0

2027: 0

2028: 2

I think one of them qualified through playing the CFU Confed Cup and the Concacaf Caribbean Cup.

It isn't just one file. You have to unzip it and copy the files in the unzipped folder direct to the editor data folder 

I looked in the editor. All divisions have 10 teams, none of them doubled.

Is there a list available with explanations of what every file in the data update does?

I want to use this file with the Realism update, but don't want to have conflicts with the league fixes from Susie and David.

Thanks for the solution @mons  It's working! 🙂

As far as I could find out, it seems that in most cases a team needs a combined reputation of at least 150000 (club rep + league rep) to becoma alive/active. That wasn't true in a test were all of the big 5 leagues were lowered in reputation, but after a few years, only 15000+ combined reputation teams were active. (At least in Europe. I've seen Sporting Kansas City become active with a combined rep closer to 14000) If that indeed is the case, then I'd have to edit a lot of leagues to make those teams active, and that could really mess up the balance. And  I don't want that, obviously. so I might quit editing that part - as long as I have no other ideas and just keep using the club ELO files. Which work just fine, as teams from unplayable leagues participate more often in the UCL.

Gonna do a savegame myself now - to see what happens when I'm not holidaying through the years, and to have a bit of fun other than just editing.

Did a crazy test with about 15 - 20 teams per continent with a rep of 9000 and in Europe a few dozen with 9000 and even 9500 rep. just to see how big it's influence can be in potential.
in each and every continent there was a change in strong teams/nations and far more teams buy players (like Kylian Mbappé to FC Andorra) and get new managers! (teams from Bolivia, Venezuela and Mali, did too) So it's good to know that even when teams are from minor / smaller leagues and even if those leagues are unplayable, that those ratings matter. However, if those teams not perform well, or if they lack continental football, their rating wil decrease over time. Some keep it for a while, some loose their reputation, but some will be stable too.

Now i'm gonna think about what I'm gonna do with the normal files. Just use/release, knowing that a higher rep has a real influence, but as long as it's comparable with the normal ratings, the influence takes time to crystalize. Perhaps that's the best I can hope for teams that get a realistic rating. It won't be Disneyland, it stays real within the limitations of the game.

I think it'll be good to do another normal test to see how many teams sign new manager in a long run, If that is more than the top 20, then it's a win. :-)

@Qvordrup thanks! That's one of the things I always add to my game. (or the ones by Claassen and/or Timo before that). With a 7 year old laptop I can't run all those leagues at the same time. When I have about 20 divisions and 80k players it's still snappy and fast. But with each extra nations it'll get slower.

@kingrobbo  We're on the same page. What unlikely winners did you see? Were those leagues playable, or when they were unplayable, did those teams still have a manager?

In my opinion, in essence, the best teams of the continent should play in the Champions League. That can be winners and really strong teams together. Everyone sees that City, Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal are far better than Molde, AEK, Zalgiris and Valletta. And because of that I don't mind seeing PSG, Juve and Bayern, battle it out with the other top teams in the knock-out phase. Seeing world class teams and world class players is part of the fun too. They also generate the most money. But that doesn't have to mean that the champions of Sweden, Belgium, Croatia, Poland or Cyprus are not getting a piece of the pie. Therefor I liked to try to change it for myself and I like the things you and other people make to see a bit of a change. Perhaps the biggest teams shouldn't think about a Superleague, but the UEFA should think about a 4th level of European Cups, as you have made too.

I holiday'd until november 2032, with 120 nations. I really hoped that my ELO-to-reputation-ratio made a bigger impact. That teams would use that higher reputation to their benefit. It seems that it's doing something, as smaller nations generate really big money, but those teams do far to less with their new possibilties. For example Velez (Argentina) is the 2nd richest team in the world right now. They win lots of national titles, but perform badly in the Libertadores and only sell youth players. RB Salzburg is the richest team in the world. Once in a while they buy a player, but most of the time you can hear the crickets chirping. They win the Austrian League lots of times, but are just rubbish in the CL. Strange thing is that when view-only, the impact is less than when a league is not playable at all so it seems. 

That still is as it is in really life. I can live with that. But what I really really dislike the most of FM is that teams don't sign new managers. Teams without managers are pretty dead. They are hardcoded to never reach a continental final and therefor never win it. That means that Anderlecht and Celtic can never grow to outperform Real Madrid if you haven't loaded those 2 leagues. Only once every few holiday tests I see a few teams breaking this hardcoded limit, but that are very small exceptions. If this isn't hardcoded, than I haven't found out why/how. If this is hardcoded as I suspect it is, then I have no clue why you should do that. I can't be the only one playing 20/30 years or more to notice this. What puzzles me a lot is why this isn't the case in the other continents.

@Qvordrup Yes, I already do, and it adds a lot the the realism. But what I want is to have two things:

1. More variation in participants and winners of the continental competitions
2. And more teams signing new managers and being able to win continental cups.

The first might not be realistic as it doesn't happen in real life, but I like the variation. I want to make it so that it still could happen/feels real.

The second is probably hardcoded and needs a workaround, if possible, as it totally messes with the immersion when you play savegames of more than a decade.

So I ran a bunch of tests. Edited db, unedited db, savegames with unplayable and/or view only and/or playable leagues.

Some teams get rich almost every time (Czech teams Slavia, Sparta and Plzen // Norvegian teams Molde and Bodo // Greek teams PAOK, AEK, Olympiakos and Panathinaikos // Chilean team Colo Colo), but only teams from the big 5 nations, or the plaable leagues become active on the transfer market. Why does a team have 400M on the bank, but no transfer activity?

Participant in the UEFA Champions League seem to be more divers (with teams from the Baltics, Ireland, Norway, Slovakia, etc), but most teams struggle to advance to the knock-out phase
Winners of the European continental competitions are always from the big 5 nations. Winners of the Europa League and Conference league vary between savegames.

If a league is unloaded (not playable, not view only) it is more likely that a team advances through the stages, than when it is in a playable league. That goes for each of the 6 continents.

In each and every savegame (bar 1) only the original top 20 teams sign managers. This is probably hardcoded. In only 1 testsave I got 4 new teams signing managers. (Freiburg, Frankfurt, Leipzig and LIlle). It is always the case that only teams with a manager can reach and win a continental competition in Europe. Strangely, this restriction is not there in other continents.

I think these files has some potential in the team diversity in continental groupstages and the winners of continental cups. Needs more finetuning though. Perhaps giving a higher reputation to every 1st level league (tried some, but didn't work yet) or some other edits.

Anyone got suggestions?

Also, as there are lots of great editor files here, what is your way of setting up a test save? Which leagues do you use for something that potentially influences the entire FM world? How many years do you test? 

@Footygamer Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Yeah, you might be correct with that. Somewhere things like silverware, history, coëfficiënts, partaking in continental competitions, attendance, fanbase and perhaps even emotion, should have somekind of amount of points that have to count to the reputation. As you say, if Man Utd is 6th for the next 5 years, its reputation still is higher than Leicesters. But, attracting players would become harder for them too. If for example Cristiano Ronaldo is looking for a new team and has the option to play for Napoli (still in the CL) or Juventus (far bigger team, but already out), the chances are he choses Napoli. (not taking into account that he already played continental matches).

The ELO-rating could be a great addition to measure the strength of a football club, but other than reputation, I think we don't have any other viable options where to put it.

Another option is to take the average (or some other mathematical variant) of the ELO-rating and the reputation number that SI gives the teams. But that would mean a hell of job, if I can't export those numbers from the FM Editor to Microsoft Excel.

For now I am continuing my work and am going to run a test to see what it does. 

@Footygamer At first I thought it were the 2 starting days of Susie, but after reading your blog I knew Susie was already 2 year older than that, so it made me curious. Both could be the reason for those similar dates indeed. I'm glad the forum stayed alive since then 

@gunnerfan69 Can't remember having him in any of my teams, so I might not have heard of him before starting this topic. Though we now have the Šeško's and Moukoko's of this generation, I think those kind of players are becoming less and less part of the game. 

There are websites that rank all teams and nations by their ELO rating. Like here http://www.eloratings.net/ and here https://footballdatabase.com/ranking/world/1 

More about ELO here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elo_rating_system and here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Football_Elo_Ratings

Would it be possible to automaticly use these scores for the reputation that a nation or club has in FM so that we have a more dynamic starting grid? Like when Feyenoord and Roma played the Conference League final last season, their European adventure boosted their points but when Ajax, Atletico, Barcelona and Juventus all are already kicked out the Champions League in the groupstages this year, it reduces their points. I don't know if the mentioned websites have an API we could read, or if there are other ways to scrape that information, but I think it would be nice to have a more dynamic club reputation.

Though an ELO rating has no limit, the top teams and nations are below 2200 points. For my own edits I used a *4,5 multiplier to translate that to a 0-10000 score. At the moment I'm editing this manually in my FM, but it takes hours and hours to do only a few hundred teams. Is there a way to implement this in an easy way?

Do you think it has a benefit for the realism of your game, or won't it make any real difference, other than just a different list of top teams when starting the game?

There are probably a lot of people who've never seen a CM/FM with only a possession bar and text. 🙂

One thing I miss from older FM's is that you could specify where all players were on the pitch in relation with the ball; when in possession and when not.

@Footygamer Is it just a coincidence that a bunch of people in this topic all have registered at may 6th or 7th 2006; or has there been a forum reset around that time?

Now I am confused. Who is Mazilu? Never heard of him. Was he an overpowered player like Cherno Samba?

Hi @gunnerfan69 another one who still knows Susie! 🙂 Before I started this topic, I really thought the Susie nickname just vanished from memory, but it looks like I was wrong. Good to see we all know these times. 

Just read a post from Cleon on SI forums where he wanted to create a new tactic Bible. I guess FM really stays “inside” us (don't know how to phrase that in English) and even after about 25 years of FM gaming (started when Henry and Trezeguet were still at Monaco) and all these time on the forums (18 at SI, 16 at Susie) it still is my favorite game.

As you said too, lots of names ring a bell and bring back memories.

Cheers!

@Poe thanks for the link! That was a absolute great joy to read. I remember the time with Caley and Cleon, as the latter asked me to follow. It was at that moment that the SI Community forums where not that fun anymore. There were lots of people who complained. Not only about the game, but also about eachother. So Susie became my home for Football Manager. Nowadays the official SI forums are great again, luckily.

@wfm18 Hahaha, so I am even not the only one at that 🙂

@R Charlston : Yes!