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By Mr Willy | Permalink | On 25 November 2012 - 21:20 PM
Anyone reckon Spain will be a block to a potentially independent Scotland? They don't recognise Kosovo and apparently they're worried that if Scotland were to declare independence via a referendum, and they could try to block Scottish membership of the European Union to prevent Catalonia from attempting such a move.

Potentially. I read last week that the party that wants independence for Catalonia is going to fall short of a majority in the regional elections. Not sure what implications that has for Scotland though.
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Exit polls showing they might have a majority, so could be interesting.
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Let's say Spain did did block Scotland's independence, what would that mean for Scotland? Could one country prevent them from becoming a member of the European Union?
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By Mr Willy | Permalink | On 25 November 2012 - 21:56 PM
Exit polls showing they might have a majority, so could be interesting.


According to the BBC they're going to fall short of a majority.
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Ahh I misread it, sorry. I'm not sure I'll have to check, I think so though.
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By Mr Willy | Permalink | On 25 November 2012 - 21:20 PM
Anyone reckon Spain will be a block to a potentially independent Scotland? They don't recognise Kosovo and apparently they're worried that if Scotland were to declare independence via a referendum, and they could try to block Scottish membership of the European Union to prevent Catalonia from attempting such a move.

That's been fairly common knowledge for ages.

It's why it's so funny Salmond talks so much about the EU and using the Euro because it's unlikely that they'll be let in.
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By Sears | Permalink | On 25 November 2012 - 21:56 PM
Let's say Spain did did block Scotland's independence, what would that mean for Scotland? Could one country prevent them from becoming a member of the European Union?

I'm not totally familiar with what voting procedure the EU uses, but I feel pretty certain that they don't require an absolute majority for something to pass.
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By Franck | Permalink | On 26 November 2012 - 03:05 AM
I'm not totally familiar with what voting procedure the EU uses, but I feel pretty certain that they don't require an absolute majority for something to pass.

IIRC there's two type of votes in the EU. One requires majorities and the other requires unanimous agreement, this is because EU decisions occasionally require the sovereignty of member states to be over-written and no state would sign up to the EU if decisions could be taken that transfers power from their capital to Brussels if they didn't want that to be the case. The European constitution vote failed for this reason and the Lisbon treaty nearly failed because Ireland initially rejected it.

Therefore, again off the top of my head, I imagine membership is an issue where unanimity is required so yes, Spain could veto.
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I want to live in a normal country.

http://spectator.sme.sk/articles/view/48326/2/teachers_to_go_on_strike.html
http://spectator.sme.sk/articles/view/48369/10/thousands_of_teachers_protest_in_bratislava.html
http://spectator.sme.sk/articles/view/48372/10/teachers_strike_continues_some_schools_resume_normal_schedules.html

The government has enough money for their pockets, but not enough money for education. That is more than sick. Health, education & infrastructure are three main things they should invest to. They just talk about investing there, but when one government does something, the next government tears it and swears on the previous government how wrong they did, how expensive it was, and blah blah.
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By Torri | Permalink | On 27 November 2012 - 16:12 PM
when one government does something, the next government tears it and swears on the previous government how wrong they did, how expensive it was, and blah blah.

All democracies work like that.
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By Franck | Permalink | On 28 November 2012 - 11:43 AM
All democracies work like that.


I don't know if this fact is satisfying or disappointing for me.
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Democracy is just the best of a bad bunch really.
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I personally find the representative model optimal for the gradual reform of society, rather than misguided revolution and dictatorship. It's not perfect, but you can eventually correct the faults where you find them and continually improve.
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By Mr Willy | Permalink | On 29 November 2012 - 14:24 PM
I personally find the representative model optimal for the gradual reform of society, rather than misguided revolution and dictatorship. It's not perfect, but you can eventually correct the faults where you find them and continually improve.


Delusional springs to mind. The current form of Government is all about keeping the poor down and the rich in power an nothing will change for the good
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I thought you would like that. Or have you suddenly converted to Marxism?
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He's a libertarian, no? One of the douchebag ones.
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Can 'libertarian' be twisted to anything that slightly refers to a desire for people to have liberty?
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Pretty much. I'm a libertarian though I don't really identify as one. A lot of libertarians say a bunch of shit that would make no sense or only work if libertarianism was the only thing people knew. It also either assumes that people won't be either selfish or lazy, or if you're Ayn Rand then if they're selfish or lazy (or unlucky) then fuck them. It's one of those terms, like most political terms, which doesn't really mean anything.

As for me, I basically just think Noam Chomsky is a cool guy.
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By Phoenix Arrow | Permalink | On 30 November 2012 - 18:26 PM
Pretty much. I'm a libertarian though I don't really identify as one. A lot of libertarians say a bunch of shit that would make no sense or only work if libertarianism was the only thing people knew. It also either assumes that people won't be either selfish or lazy, or if you're Ayn Rand then if they're selfish or lazy (or unlucky) then fuck them. It's one of those terms, like most political terms, which doesn't really mean anything.

As for me, I basically just think Noam Chomsky is a cool guy.


That makes you a libertarian socialist/anarchist, like myself.
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15 injured in 'flag protest'

Loyalists demanding respect for their flag by burning the tricolour in front of Belfast City Hall


The whole thing is fucking stupid anyway
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Whilst the protest is over the top it was always going to happen by the actions taken by Belfast City Council. They say that they need to stop flying the union flag in the interests of equality. How is that equality? Diminishing the culture of more than half of the people that live in Northern Ireland is not equality. There was a consultation in Belfast before the decision was made and both sides of the community stated that the status quo should remain.

Sinn Fein are a party founded upon hatred, it has seen one of their ministers being found to have acted with religious discrimination in a job application and they continue to give public positions to those who have carried out killings and who do not have the credentials to act in such a position. They want a border poll, which would be a waste of public money, on the basis that the overwhelming majority of people in NI (which includes a significant amount of Catholics) want to retain the status quo. They have no policies regarding real issues and that's why they have to resort to these classical issues. They have been in charge of Education for the past decade and it is now in disarray. They were in charge of Regional Development and the Water service went tits up. The members elected have no credentials, they don't know how to make the economy work, they don't have a clue about education, health, development.

The idea of respect has to work on both sides, instead of dealing with real issues and problems they have brought this flag issue to the forefront. I actually don't care whether the flag has to fly all year round or not. I care about it being made into an issue of equality, which it is not. Imagine it happened in a different city, like London or Dublin were the people said they weren't British/Irish and said they didn't want the flag to be flown on that basis. It's madness. The flag of the country should just fly and if the constitutional issue is changed then the flag should change. But equality requires that it be done...
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Any way I look at that whole flag issue, it just looks like an act of provokation. They knew taking down the union flag would piss off loyalists so they did it excepting them to kick off. Now they can point the finger and say "look how immature they're being" but ignoring the fact that if the shoe was on the other foot, if there was a tricolour there which had been taken down, there would've been a bomb scare and a dead policeman by now.
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This whole 'UK leaving the EU thing', does that not mean the UK having to pay extra taxes to import/export to countries in the EU? And what will happen to the 'free travel', will visas etc be needed?

EU Minister came out today and said the UK can't pick and choose which rules apply to them so I'm genuinely curious as I know fuck all about this stuff
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Cameron wants to 'renegotiate' Britain's relationship with the EU, essentially more opt-outs for directives that "affect British sovereignty", the working time directive, fishing quotas, etc. How on earth France, Germany, etc, will let the UK opt-out of so many things but reap the benefits of EU membership, I have no idea.

And presumably yes, we'll need a visa to get across to France or Ireland, or elsewhere in mainland Europe, unless there are visa exemptions for British citizens. Personally, I'm not the EU's biggest defender, but full withdrawal does worry me.

Then again, I doubt we'll even get to the referendum. It's contingent on there being an agreed 'new settlement' for Britain in the EU, and a Conservative majority government in 2015, given that neither Labour nor the Liberal Democrats want a referendum.
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By Mr Willy | Permalink | On 23 January 2013 - 12:28 PM
Cameron wants to 'renegotiate' Britain's relationship with the EU, essentially more opt-outs for directives that "affect British sovereignty", the working time directive, fishing quotas, etc. How on earth France, Germany, etc, will let the UK opt-out of so many things but reap the benefits of EU membership, I have no idea.

And presumably yes, we'll need a visa to get across to France or Ireland, or elsewhere in mainland Europe, unless there are visa exemptions for British citizens. Personally, I'm not the EU's biggest defender, but full withdrawal does worry me.

Then again, I doubt we'll even get to the referendum. It's contingent on there being an agreed 'new settlement' for Britain in the EU, and a Conservative majority government in 2015, given that neither Labour nor the Liberal Democrats want a referendum.


That's where that 'quote' about not being able to pick and choose what applies to them comes him. The French minister said something like 'the EU is not an a la carte where you decide what to have and what not to have'

Regarding the visa's, I was discussing this last night and saying if that were to be a consequence I could see a push for the 6 counties in NI to sort something out, because border patrol form ROI to NI would be incredibly difficult to sort out (although it will probably end up just not being enforced or something), unless I'm misunderstanding.

Would the UK leaving the EU not encourage Scotland (and possibly, at a very large stretch due to visa point above, NI) pushing even harder for independence from UK?
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Lets just hope there isn't a Conservative majority in 2015.
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Opinion polls aren't looking that way at the moment, though you never know what will happen in two years..
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No chance they'll get a majority. We'll be looking at another coalition.
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I'd love a Labour victory. Just because five years of listening to Ed Milliband's voice would be hilarious. He sounds like a dick 24/7. NNNNNNNGHHHGHHGHGNGGNHGGNGGGG

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